[Python-Dev] Re: Making PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN not mandatory.
Can you elaborate on that use case? Which two applications are you thinking of, and what was your goal in driving them? This sounds interesting but I haven’t encountered this myself. On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 09:44 Baptiste Carvello < devel2...@baptiste-carvello.net> wrote: > Le 18/06/2021 à 08:50, Paul Moore a écrit : > > > > IMO it doesn't. However for certain applications (the sort of thing I > > was referring to) - where the user is writing their own scripts and > > the embedding API is used merely to expose an interface to the Python > > language, dynamically linking to whatever version of Python the user > > has installed can be precisely the right thing to do - the user gets > > access to the version of the language they expect, the installed > > packages they expect to see, etc. > > As a user, I second this. When trying to drive applications from the > outside (as opposed to extending them through plugins), it is annoying > when two applications won't work together because each one insists on > using its own vendored python. > > Of course, there are often real blockers, such as incompatible event > loops. But not always… > > Cheers, > Baptiste > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/PPKL7466BIG6DPCUIJURLE5ZGFNHBNSM/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- --Guido (mobile) ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/U34DJD6TKP3LMDBLZ77JHQYHU6SKIADU/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues
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[Python-Dev] Re: Making PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN not mandatory.
Le 18/06/2021 à 08:50, Paul Moore a écrit : > > IMO it doesn't. However for certain applications (the sort of thing I > was referring to) - where the user is writing their own scripts and > the embedding API is used merely to expose an interface to the Python > language, dynamically linking to whatever version of Python the user > has installed can be precisely the right thing to do - the user gets > access to the version of the language they expect, the installed > packages they expect to see, etc. As a user, I second this. When trying to drive applications from the outside (as opposed to extending them through plugins), it is annoying when two applications won't work together because each one insists on using its own vendored python. Of course, there are often real blockers, such as incompatible event loops. But not always… Cheers, Baptiste ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/PPKL7466BIG6DPCUIJURLE5ZGFNHBNSM/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Making PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN not mandatory.
On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 01:57, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > I don’t see how the stable ABI works as a substitute for vendoring Python. A > lot of other things can still vary even when the C API remains the same! > (E.g. syntax, and stdlib behavior.) IMO it doesn't. However for certain applications (the sort of thing I was referring to) - where the user is writing their own scripts and the embedding API is used merely to expose an interface to the Python language, dynamically linking to whatever version of Python the user has installed can be precisely the right thing to do - the user gets access to the version of the language they expect, the installed packages they expect to see, etc. Consider something like the vim integration with Python (which *doesn't* use the stable ABI, so you have to use a distribution built for precisely the Python version you have installed - the stable ABI would be better from the POV of supporting fewer binary builds). Vendoring is a viable alternative here as well, but as I say, it just has different trade-offs. As I said, it's a niche usage, but it has its place. I don't personally have an opinion on promoting the option of linking to the system Python - it just suits my use cases. Paul ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/5LOUHPH6VHNA5KFU4ZE6QC4GKCXSSAHX/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
