Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal for new 2to23 tool

2007-11-12 Thread Graham Horler
On 12 Nov 2007, 03:24:34, Jan Claeys wrote: Op zondag 11-11-2007 om 17:19 uur [tijdzone -0800], schreef Brett Cannon: On Nov 11, 2007 4:00 PM, Graham Horler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been developing in Python since 1.5, and now have to support 2.1 as a minimum version. I do like

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Walter Dörwald
Martin v. Löwis wrote: I don't know. Is an XML document ill-formed if it doesn't contain an XML declaration, is not in UTF-8 or UTF-8, but there's external encoding info? If there is external encoding info, matching the actual encoding, it would be well-formed. Of course, preserving that

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Walter Dörwald
Martin v. Löwis wrote: In case it isn't clear - this is exactly my view also. But is there an API to do it? As MAL points out that API would have to return not an encoding, but a pair of an encoding and the rewound stream. The API wouldn't operate on streams. Instead, you pass a

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2007-11-11 23:22, Martin v. Löwis wrote: First, XML-RPC is not the only mechanism using XML over a network connection. Second, you don't want to do this if you're dealing with several 100 MB of data just because you want to figure out the encoding. That's my original claim/question: what

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Fred Drake
On Nov 12, 2007, at 8:16 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: We have a -1 from Martin and a +1 from Walter, Guido and myself. Pretty clear vote if you ask me. I'd say we end the discussion here and move on. If we're counting, you've got a -1 on the codec from me as well. Martin's right: there's no

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Walter Dörwald
Fred Drake wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 8:16 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: We have a -1 from Martin and a +1 from Walter, Guido and myself. Pretty clear vote if you ask me. I'd say we end the discussion here and move on. If we're counting, you've got a -1 on the codec from me as well.

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Fred Drake
On Nov 12, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Walter Dörwald wrote: It isn't embedded. codecs.detect_xml_encoding() is callable without any problems (though not documented). Not documented means not available, I think. Who would use such a function for what? Being able to detect the encoding can be useful

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Bill Janssen
Simply, it's sometimes desired to know the encoding for purposes that don't require immediate decoding. A function would be quite handy in these cases. In os.path? os.path.encoding(location)? Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Fred Drake
On Nov 12, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: In os.path? os.path.encoding(location)? I wasn't thinking it would be that general; determining the encoding for an arbitrary text file is a larger problem than it is for an XML file. An implementation based strictly on the rules from the

[Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-11-12 Thread Tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (11/05/07 - 11/12/07) Tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 1321 open (+17) / 11592 closed (+21) / 12913 total (+38) Open issues with patches: 418 Average

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal for new 2to23 tool

2007-11-12 Thread Brett Cannon
On Nov 12, 2007 12:50 AM, Graham Horler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Nov 2007, 03:24:34, Jan Claeys wrote: Op zondag 11-11-2007 om 17:19 uur [tijdzone -0800], schreef Brett Cannon: On Nov 11, 2007 4:00 PM, Graham Horler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been developing in Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal for new 2to23 tool

2007-11-12 Thread Collin Winter
On Nov 12, 2007 12:50 AM, Graham Horler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Nov 2007, 03:24:34, Jan Claeys wrote: Op zondag 11-11-2007 om 17:19 uur [tijdzone -0800], schreef Brett Cannon: On Nov 11, 2007 4:00 PM, Graham Horler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been developing in Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal for new 2to23 tool

2007-11-12 Thread Steve Holden
Collin Winter wrote: On Nov 12, 2007 12:50 AM, Graham Horler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Nov 2007, 03:24:34, Jan Claeys wrote: Op zondag 11-11-2007 om 17:19 uur [tijdzone -0800], schreef Brett Cannon: On Nov 11, 2007 4:00 PM, Graham Horler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been developing

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal for new 2to23 tool

2007-11-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Nov 11, 2007 7:24 PM, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham wants to convert his code such that it works on both Python 2.x (probably even early versions of it?) Python 3.x. Not 2 instances of code, but one source that works on both 2.x and 3.x... The transition strategy for 3.0

[Python-Dev] Fwd: volunteers for a test

2007-11-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
Please indulge this off-topic post. I know there are a lot of Python developers here whose mother tongue is not English; would those folks mind participating in the experiment below? --Guido -- Forwarded message -- From: Jose Oriol Lopez Berengueres [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Nov

Re: [Python-Dev] XML codec?

2007-11-12 Thread Andrew McNamara
On Nov 12, 2007, at 8:16 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: We have a -1 from Martin and a +1 from Walter, Guido and myself. Pretty clear vote if you ask me. I'd say we end the discussion here and move on. If we're counting, you've got a -1 on the codec from me as well. Martin's right: there's no