Antoine Pitrou writes:
Le vendredi 03 décembre 2010 à 13:58 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull a
écrit :
Antoine Pitrou writes:
The legacy format argument looks like a red herring to me. When
converting from a format to another it is the programmer's job to
his/her job right.
Alexander Belopolsky writes:
In fact, once the language moratorium is over, I will argue that
str.encode() and byte.decode() should deprecate encoding argument and
just do UTF-8 encoding/decoding. Hopefully by that time most people
will forget that other encodings exist. (I can dream,
Martin v. Löwis, 02.12.2010 21:24:
Since discussion has trailed off without any blocking objections, I'm
accepting PEP 384. Martin, you may mark the PEP accepted and proceed
with merging the implementation for the beta on Saturday.
Thanks! will do (I'll also take into consideration the
Am I still missing something?
Apparently. The hole C API would break if objects would move in memory.
Since they have to stay at fixed addresses, it's easy enough to use the
address as ID. There is no problem to be solved here.
Regards,
Martin
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To build the trunk Python 3k, it seems that Python 2 has to be installed.
This is because Objects/typeslots.py is called in the Makefile, and this
file uses Python 2 print statement syntax, which fails if $(PYTHON) is
actually Python 3.
Can anyone reproduce this?
Eli
I'm not really complaining (the API fixes are long overdue), just
leaving a comment that what a compiler considers a warning or error
pretty much depends on compiler, platform and configuration.
No no no. It does *not* depend on compiler, platform, or configuration.
It *only* depends on the
I'm afraid I don't follow you. Unless you're suggesting some sort of
esoteric object system whereby objects *don't* have identity (e.g. where
objects are emergent properties of some sort of distributed,
non-localised information), any object naturally has an identity --
itself.
Not in Java
Am 04.12.2010 09:48, schrieb Eli Bendersky:
To build the trunk Python 3k, it seems that Python 2 has to be installed.
This is because Objects/typeslots.py is called in the Makefile, and this
file uses Python 2 print statement syntax, which fails if $(PYTHON) is
actually Python 3.
This
On Dec 4, 2010, at 11:13, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Am 04.12.2010 09:48, schrieb Eli Bendersky:
To build the trunk Python 3k, it seems that Python 2 has to be installed.
This is because Objects/typeslots.py is called in the Makefile, and this
file uses Python 2 print
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
I'm afraid I don't follow you. Unless you're suggesting some sort of
esoteric object system whereby objects *don't* have identity (e.g. where
objects are emergent properties of some sort of distributed,
non-localised information), any object naturally has an identity --
Le samedi 04 décembre 2010 à 17:13 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull a écrit :
Antoine Pitrou writes:
Le vendredi 03 décembre 2010 à 13:58 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull a
écrit :
Antoine Pitrou writes:
The legacy format argument looks like a red herring to me. When
converting
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:11:57 -0500
James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote:
On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 03.12.2010 23:48, schrieb Éric Araujo:
But I'm not interested at all in having it in distutils2. I want the
Python build itself to use it, and alas, I can't because
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:06:45 +1100
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 03Dec2010 18:15, James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote:
| On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
| gc is implementation specific. CPython uses ref counting + cycle
| gc. A constraint on all implementations is
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 11:20:57 +0200
Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote:
I had the error pop out in a real build, so the time stamp is probably not a
100% guarantee. Therefore I think it's good that you made it version
agnostic. This should be probably be a requirement for all scripts that
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:10:44 +0100 (CET)
gregory.p.smith python-check...@python.org wrote:
Author: gregory.p.smith
Date: Sat Dec 4 10:10:44 2010
New Revision: 87010
Log:
issue7213 + issue2320: Cause a DeprecationWarning if the close_fds argument is
not passed to subprocess.Popen as the
Surely even in Java or C#, objects have an *identity* even if the
language doesn't provide a way to query their distinct *identification*.
When people said the id of an object should this or that, they always
meant identification, not identity (perhaps except for you). Nobody
would propose that
Steven D'Aprano writes:
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
It seems counter-productive to me to bother with an identity function
which doesn't meet that constraint. If id(x) == id(y) implies nothing
about x and y (they may, or may not, be the same object) then what's the
point?
See
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:06:45 +1100
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 03Dec2010 18:15, James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote:
| On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
| gc is implementation specific. CPython
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Er, normally you don't need *any* Python installed to build Python (be
it 3.x or 2.x).
Are you sure about this? I remember needing an existing Python to
building Python 2.7 on a new python-less install of FreeBSD a
Le samedi 04 décembre 2010 à 13:23 +, Mark Dickinson a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Er, normally you don't need *any* Python installed to build Python (be
it 3.x or 2.x).
Are you sure about this? I remember needing an existing
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Er, normally you don't need *any* Python installed to build Python (be
it 3.x or 2.x).
Are you sure about this? I remember needing an existing
2010/12/4 Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Er, normally you don't need *any* Python installed to build Python (be
it 3.x or 2.x).
Are you sure
Le samedi 04 décembre 2010 à 13:39 +, Mark Dickinson a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Er, normally you don't need *any* Python installed to build Python (be
it
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote:
You have to touch Include/Python-ast.h and Python/Python-ast.c. We do
this for release tarballs.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
Mark
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 15:41, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le samedi 04 décembre 2010 à 13:39 +, Mark Dickinson a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
Quotes are out of order.
Martin v. Löwis writes:
No, it's not. java.lang.Object.hashCode() is equivalent to Python's
hash(). In particular, for both of these, the following requirement
holds: object that *compare* equal must hash equal.
Aha. I see, now. That is indeed a different
On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 11:52:41PM +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 03.12.2010 23:48, schrieb Éric Araujo:
But I'm not interested at all in having it in distutils2. I want the
Python build itself to use it, and alas, I can't because of the freeze.
You can’t in 3.2, true. Neither can you in
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:11:57 -0500
James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote:
On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 03.12.2010 23:48, schrieb Éric Araujo:
But I'm not interested at all in having it in
Le 04/12/2010 17:55, Tarek Ziadé a écrit :
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
It seems like it'd be a good idea to start integrating distutils2 into
python trunk immediately after the 3.2 branch is cut, then.
+1 from me.
+1 too.
+1, and I take
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:10:44 +0100 (CET)
gregory.p.smith python-check...@python.org wrote:
Author: gregory.p.smith
Date: Sat Dec 4 10:10:44 2010
New Revision: 87010
Log:
issue7213 + issue2320: Cause a
On 4 December 2010 18:14, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:10:44 +0100 (CET)
gregory.p.smith python-check...@python.org wrote:
Author: gregory.p.smith
Date: Sat Dec 4 10:10:44 2010
Why is useful to expose an identity hash? AFAICS it is *only* useful
in building an identity hash table. If so, why not just provide id()
or the is operator or both and be done with it?
That's precisely James' point: Java provides the identity hash
*instead* of the id() function (i.e. it
At the language summit it was proposed and seemed generally accepted (maybe
I took silence as consent... it's been almost a year now) that bold new
modules (and bold rewrites of existing modules since it fell out of the
distutils/2 discussion) should get implemented in a module on pypi before
1. Parts of the Makefile that use Python checked if Python is installed
and generate a useful error if not.
2. All Python scripts that are part of the build should be 2-vs-3
version agnostic for the time being (= until Python 2 is distant
history, which won't happen soon)
I think this is
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 December 2010 18:14, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:10:44 +0100 (CET)
gregory.p.smith
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
..
I don't think decimal module should support non-European decimal
digits. The only place where it can make some sense is in int()
because here we have a fighting chance of producing a reasonable
DeprecationWarnings that show up in a lot of existing code are controversial
and have caused pain in the past. I'd like to leave this on for 3.2 beta1 and
see how things go. We can remove the warning if it is deemed too noisy during
any betas. (case study: the md5 and sha module
I actually wonder if Python's re module can claim to provide even
Basic Unicode Support.
Do you really wonder? Most definitely it does not.
Regards,
Martin
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On 4 December 2010 20:13, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote:
This sounds like omitting the close_fds parameter is now considered
ill-advised, if not outright wrong.
[...]
Making the change was intended to force the discussion. I'm glad that
worked. :)
:-)
I don't like the thought of
On 04/12/2010 11:27, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:11:57 -0500
James Y Knightf...@fuhm.net wrote:
On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 03.12.2010 23:48, schrieb Éric Araujo:
But I'm not interested at all in having it in distutils2. I want the
Python build
On 4 December 2010 22:51, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
My feeling is that we should be able to correct bad-enough mistakes.
That's fair. Is this a bad-enough mistake? From a brief reading of
the 2 bug reports, combined with my own trouble-free experience with
Popen (always leaving
On 4 December 2010 23:07, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there an issue on Windows? If not, and given how different FD
inheritance is on Windows, I'd argue that in the absence of bug
reports, there's no need to change behaviour on Windows.
Actually, from the error message I just got:
On 12/4/2010 3:07 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
The original goal was for subprocess to replace os.system, os.popen,
os.spawn, etc. That's never quite happened because subprocess is just
a little bit too conceptually complex for those basic tasks.
Is that way? I didn't find it particularly hard to
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 20:04, hirokazu.yamamoto
python-check...@python.orgwrote:
Author: hirokazu.yamamoto
Date: Sun Dec 5 03:04:16 2010
New Revision: 87070
Log:
Now can reproduce the error on AMD64 Windows Server 2008
even where os.symlink is not supported.
Modified:
On 2010/12/05 11:08, Brian Curtin wrote:
I created #10540 for this issue, but the patch I have on there is just a bad
hack. I need to fix os.path.samefile for hard links, which might be easier
if we keep st_ino data in stat structures on Windows.
MSDN says,
I missed it, st_dev is not set yet. When I set st_dev with
dwVolumeSerialNumber, it was sometimes negative. Is it OK?
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