On 08.05.2014 23:22, Donald Stufft wrote:
On a personal note, I'm uncomfortable with the way this change is
perceived as a case of *pip* enforcing a behaviour that the pip
developers feel should be required. I actually don't like this change
particularly. So having pip implement the
On 9 May 2014 05:34, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On May 8, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Socially, this change does not seem to be having the effect of
persuading more package developers to host on PyPI. The stick doesn't
appear to have worked, maybe we
Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
I?m unsure if you?re being willfully dense or if you?re just not understanding
what I mean when I say ?almost?. Of course there are going to be a few
outliers
where people do bother to do that, but it?s not going to be common place at
all.
I suggest
On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 08.05.2014 23:22, Donald Stufft wrote:
On a personal note, I'm uncomfortable with the way this change is
perceived as a case of *pip* enforcing a behaviour that the pip
developers feel should be required. I actually don't
On 9 May 2014 12:44, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
We still wouldn't be forcing anyone to upload things to PyPI. We are, however,
discouraging people from not hosting on PyPI and providing incentives to doing
that.
But you're doing so by inflicting pain on people using pip to install
On May 9, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2014 05:34, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On May 8, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Socially, this change does not seem to be having the effect of
persuading more package developers
On 9 May 2014 21:55, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2014 12:44, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
I think it's important to point out that one of the driving factors that
caused
me to finally push for changes and what lead to PEP438 being created was that
Mercurial's
On May 9, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2014 12:44, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
We still wouldn't be forcing anyone to upload things to PyPI. We are,
however,
discouraging people from not hosting on PyPI and providing incentives to
doing
that.
On 9 May 2014 13:06, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
I think it's important to point out that one of the driving factors that
caused
me to finally push for changes and what lead to PEP438 being created was
that
Mercurial's external hosted was being extremely flaky. I can't remember
On May 9, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2014 13:06, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
I think it's important to point out that one of the driving factors that
caused
me to finally push for changes and what lead to PEP438 being created was
that
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
You're claiming that Mercurial moved to hosting on PyPI solely because
users suddenly needed to add a flag to install from pip? As opposed to
because PyPI gave them a more reliable hosting platform, for example?
OK. I certainly can't give any evidence to
On 9 May 2014 13:25, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
You're claiming that Mercurial moved to hosting on PyPI solely because
users suddenly needed to add a flag to install from pip? As opposed to
because PyPI gave them a more reliable hosting platform, for example?
OK. I certainly can't
On Fri, 9 May 2014 13:47:49 +0100
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 May 2014 13:25, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
You're claiming that Mercurial moved to hosting on PyPI solely because
users suddenly needed to add a flag to install from pip? As opposed to
because PyPI gave
On 05/08/2014 02:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
Socially, this change does not seem to be having the effect of
persuading more package developers to host on PyPI. The stick doesn't
appear to have worked, maybe we should be trying to find a carrot? Or
maybe we have to accept that some developers have
On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
Donald: I don't think anyone is arguing that hosting packages on
PyPI is a bad thing and PyPI as a service has gotten a lot better
than it was a few years ago.
Didn’t mean to imply
On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 06:09:28AM -0700, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us
wrote:
On 05/08/2014 02:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
Well, I do host a small handful of modules on PyPI, but I can say that some
of my pain points are:
- getting a good name: the obvious ones are taken, so the search
On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
Donald: I don't think anyone is arguing that hosting packages on
PyPI is a bad thing and PyPI as a service has gotten
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Donald, I'm out of his discussion. I have one last request: please don't
gossip about core devs in public as long as you have commit privs:
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On 09.05.2014 17:39, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
Donald: I don't think anyone is arguing that hosting packages on
PyPI is a
On May 9, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Donald, I'm out of his discussion. I have one last request: please don't
gossip about core devs in public as long as you have commit privs:
https://botbot.me/freenode/python-requests/
I don’t really know how to respond to
Stefan,
If the only way you can think of to invalidate Donald's (vastly
superior) arguments is to accuse of him of gossip, you should
probably reconsider your arguments. Looking at the conversation you
didn't actually link to
(https://botbot.me/freenode/python-requests/msg/14389415/) there is no
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Zachary Ware
zachary.ware+py...@gmail.com wrote:
I updated the 2.7 buildbot scripts to pull in Tcl/Tk 8.5.15 a couple
of weeks ago (see http://bugs.python.org/issue21303), but hadn't
gotten anything done with Tix yet. It should just need python.mak
updated to
On Fri, 09 May 2014 11:39:02 -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
I snipped the rest of the discussion and
On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2014 11:39:02 -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A.
On 5/9/2014 2:12 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
I don't understand this. Why it is our responsibility to provide a
free service for a large project to repeatedly download a set of files
they need? Why does it not make more
On May 9, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 5/9/2014 2:12 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
I don't understand this. Why it is our responsibility to provide a
free service for a large project to
Hi,
May tests expect that unless they themselves start a thread then there
are no threads to worry about?
I see that some old tests are not thread-safe and I have not found it to
be explicitly mentioned in the devguide.
I've written a test for http://bugs.python.org/issue21332 that is
I'm pushing the release schedule for 2.7.7 back a week. That means the
release candidate will be next weekend (May 17). This will hopefully
save some trouble for the people who build our binaries, since 3.4.1
final is happening next weekend, too.
Regards,
Benjamin
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