Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-29 Thread Robert Collins
On 29 July 2015 at 02:17, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com writes: On 28 July 2015 at 13:35, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: People can, do, and probably must make many decisions through non-rational processes. I don't propose to

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-29 Thread Wes Turner
On Jul 28, 2015 10:41 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Ben Finney writes: I've made a clear distinction between the need to *be able to* justify a change, versus arbitrary demands to do so by arbitrary members. The latter is what you're arguing against, and of

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-29 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/29/2015 09:18 AM, Wes Turner wrote: sorry, I haven't the context for this tl;dr -- Mock objects now protect against accidentally accessing wrong assert methods by raising an attribute error; this is different than past behavior in that any attribute that didn't exist simply returned a

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmark Results for Python Default 2015-07-24

2015-07-29 Thread Catalin G . Manciu
Brett Cannon brett at python.org writes: Should we discuss of these are the benchmarks we want daily reports on (you can see what the benchmark suite has at https://hg.python.org/benchmarks/file/2979f5ce6a0c/perf.py#l2243 )? I personally would prefer dropping pybench and replacing it with

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmark Results for Python Default 2015-07-24

2015-07-29 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM Catalin G. Manciu catalin.gabriel.man...@intel.com [SNIP -- stuff came back as visible HTML; hopefully I didn't miss something] Thank you for your feedback! We value the community’s input and we would like to provide the most relevant results in our automatic

Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

2015-07-29 Thread Tim Peters
[Lennart Regebro] \ I have yet to see a use case for that. [Tim] Of course you have. When you address them, you usually dismiss them as calendar operations (IIRC). '[Lennart] Those are not usecases for this broken behaviour. I agree there is a usecase for where you want to add one day to

Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

2015-07-29 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 28 Jul 2015, at 03:13, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/27/2015 06:11 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: Treating time as UTC with conversions at the application edge might be cleaner in some sense, but can make code harder to

Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

2015-07-29 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:26:44 +0200, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Tim Peters tim.pet...@gmail.com wrote: I have yet to see a use case for that. Of course you have. When you address them, you usually dismiss them as calendar operations (IIRC).