[Python-Dev] Python 3.7.4rc1 (and 3.6.9rc1) cutoffs ahead, now set for 2019-06-17

2019-06-05 Thread Ned Deily
https://discuss.python.org/t/python-3-7-4rc1-and-3-6-9rc1-cutoffs-ahead-now-set-for-2019-06-17/1824

A reminder: it is time for the next quarterly maintenance release of
Python 3.7. The cutoff for **3.7.4rc1** had been scheduled for this
coming Monday (2019-06-10) but many of us have been focused on feature
code off for 3.8.0, which just took place a few days ago (yay!). So, to
give us all a bit more time to attend to 3.7.x matters, I have moved the
code cutoff a week, to **Monday 2019-06-17** by the end of day AOE.
Please review open issues and ensure that any that you believe need to be
addressed in 3.7.4 are either resolved or marked as a **release
blocker**. Any assistance you can provide in helping resolve issues will
be greatly appreciated! Following the rc1 cutoff, changes merged to the
3.7 branch will be released in 3.7.5 three months from now unless you
mark the issue as a release blocker prior to **3.7.4 final**, planned for
release on **2019-06-28**, and explain why the change should be
cherry-picked into the final release.

I am also scheduling for the same dates the rc1 and final releases of
Python **3.6.9**, which is the first 3.6 security-fix-only source release
since its final bugfix release, 3.6.8, six months ago. If there are any
open security issues that you feel should be backported to 3.6, please
get them in before its cutoff on **2019-06-17** AoE.

Thanks to everyone who has been helping to ensure the continued success
of Python 3.6 and 3.7! Our users truly appreciate it and are showing
their confidence in us by the rapid adoption of these latest releases.
Onward!

P.S. I have recently updated the 3.7.x release schedule in PEP 537 to
show tentative release dates for the rest of 3.7's bugfix phase. Like
with 3.6, we plan to continue having 3.7.x bugfix releases every three
months until 2020-06-27, two years after the initial release of 3.7.0. At
that point, 3.7.x will enter its security-fix-only phase for an
additional three years.

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0537/

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[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 594: update 1

2019-06-05 Thread Steve Holden
Perhaps if PEP 594 is seen to be moving ahead towards a slimmer Python (4?)
stdlib, it might encourage the development of a PEP to take over
maintenance of dead parrots. They might be recruited by the offer of some
way to at least publish a supported bundle via the same (python.org) site
that Python itself comes from. It would seem unfair to burden the PEP with
promising an afterlife. That would raise quality assurance issues, though.

If no such PEP emerges then the dead parrots will be buried and forgotten.
I see little reason why we (Python users) shouldn't trust the collective
python-dev wisdom on what ultimately belongs in stdlib, and heaven knows
these aren't simple discussions.


On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:56 PM Brett Cannon  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:22 PM Victor Stinner  wrote:
>
>> So what is happening for this PEP since Python 3.8 beta1 has been
>> released? Is it too late for Python 3.8 or not?
>>
>> It seems like most people are confused by the intent of the PEP. IMHO
>> it would be better to rewrite "Remove packages from the stdlib" as
>> "Move some stdlib modules to PyPI". But that would require to rewrite
>> some parts of the PEP to explain how modules are moved, who become the
>> new maintainers, how to support modules both in stdlib (old Python
>> versions) and in PyPI (new Python), etc.
>>
>
> Correct, that is more than a title change but a shift in what the PEP's
> final result is. And the title as it currently stands as the modules would
> still be removed from the stdlib regardless of whether they end up on PyPI
> or not.
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[Python-Dev] Re: python-ideas and python-dev migrated to Mailman 3/HyperKitty

2019-06-05 Thread Carol Willing



Barry Warsaw wrote on 6/5/19 10:56 AM:

On Jun 5, 2019, at 02:08, Victor Stinner  wrote:

Our kind postmasters Mark Sapiro and Abhilash Raj migrated
python-ideas and python-dev mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
(running on Python 3 ;-))!

Gosh, it warms my heart. :)

Thank you Mark, Abhilash!
-Barry


Bravo! Mark and Abhilash, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be able to 
use Mailman 3 for all my searches :D



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[Python-Dev] Re: python-ideas and python-dev migrated to Mailman 3/HyperKitty

2019-06-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 5, 2019, at 02:08, Victor Stinner  wrote:
> 
> Our kind postmasters Mark Sapiro and Abhilash Raj migrated
> python-ideas and python-dev mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
> (running on Python 3 ;-))!

Gosh, it warms my heart. :)

Thank you Mark, Abhilash!
-Barry



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[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 594: update 1

2019-06-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:22 PM Victor Stinner  wrote:

> So what is happening for this PEP since Python 3.8 beta1 has been
> released? Is it too late for Python 3.8 or not?
>
> It seems like most people are confused by the intent of the PEP. IMHO
> it would be better to rewrite "Remove packages from the stdlib" as
> "Move some stdlib modules to PyPI". But that would require to rewrite
> some parts of the PEP to explain how modules are moved, who become the
> new maintainers, how to support modules both in stdlib (old Python
> versions) and in PyPI (new Python), etc.
>

Correct, that is more than a title change but a shift in what the PEP's
final result is. And the title as it currently stands as the modules would
still be removed from the stdlib regardless of whether they end up on PyPI
or not.
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[Python-Dev] Re: python-ideas and python-dev migrated to Mailman 3/HyperKitty

2019-06-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, Jun 05, 2019 at 11:08:13AM +0200, Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Our kind postmasters Mark Sapiro and Abhilash Raj migrated
> python-ideas and python-dev mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
> (running on Python 3 ;-))!

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[Python-Dev] Re: python-ideas and python-dev migrated to Mailman 3/HyperKitty

2019-06-05 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

05.06.19 13:52, Serhiy Storchaka пише:

05.06.19 12:08, Victor Stinner пише:

Our kind postmasters Mark Sapiro and Abhilash Raj migrated
python-ideas and python-dev mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
(running on Python 3 ;-))!

You can now enjoy HyperKitty, the new web UI to access the mailing lists:
    https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/
and
    https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-id...@python.org/


Hurray!


Tested the Gmane gateway: worked in both directions.
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[Python-Dev] Re: python-ideas and python-dev migrated to Mailman 3/HyperKitty

2019-06-05 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

05.06.19 12:08, Victor Stinner пише:

Our kind postmasters Mark Sapiro and Abhilash Raj migrated
python-ideas and python-dev mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
(running on Python 3 ;-))!

You can now enjoy HyperKitty, the new web UI to access the mailing lists:
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/
and
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-id...@python.org/


Hurray!
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[Python-Dev] python-ideas and python-dev migrated to Mailman 3/HyperKitty

2019-06-05 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi,

Our kind postmasters Mark Sapiro and Abhilash Raj migrated
python-ideas and python-dev mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3
(running on Python 3 ;-))!

You can now enjoy HyperKitty, the new web UI to access the mailing lists:
   https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/
and
   https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-id...@python.org/

Enhancements:

* Ability to post an email directly on the web UI (open a new topic or
reply to an existing topic)
* Nicer "archives": profile photo (gravatar), thread view
* New "Most Active" and "Most Popular" views of mailing lists
* Statistics (note: it seems like stats on python-dev are not computed yet)
* Single login/password to subscribe to multiple Python mailing lists
* Simpler UI to subscribe/unsubscribe
* More reliable "permalink" URLs to emails
* And more!

Many lists already migrated: speed, capi-sig, python-committers, etc.

All lists hosted by Mailman3:
https://mail.python.org/archives/

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Victor
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