[Python-Dev] Re: My thoughts on Pattern Matching.

2020-11-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat., 7 Nov. 2020, 9:56 am Greg Ewing, wrote: > On 7/11/20 4:03 am, Thomas Wouters wrote: > > > It's also why I'm not in favour of PEP 642 and other proposals for > > solving some of the problems in the Structural Pattern Matching proposal > > (sigils, etc): it widens the gap instead of closin

[Python-Dev] PEP 642 v2: Explicit constraint patterns *without* question marks in the syntax

2020-11-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
Hi folks, I have updated PEP 642 significantly based on the feedback received over the past week. Since the Discourse thread hadn't received any comments on it, I amended the existing thread in place rather than making a new one: https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-642-constraint-pattern-syntax-for-

[Python-Dev] Re: Please do not remove random bits of information from the tutorial

2020-11-07 Thread Inada Naoki
Hi, Riccardo. I'm who removed the __cause__ from tutorial, and I had translated Japanese translation of official Python document hard. On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 3:07 AM Riccardo Polignieri via Python-Dev wrote: > > This morning I noticed this new commit, referring to bpo-42179: "Remove > mention

[Python-Dev] Please do not remove random bits of information from the tutorial

2020-11-07 Thread Riccardo Polignieri via Python-Dev
Dear all, I am the maintainer of an Italian translation of the Python Tutorial: https://pytutorial-it.readthedocs.io. Since the Italian translation is kept in sync with the original repo (across all the branches!), from time to time I get an alert when a change is committed. This morning I

[Python-Dev] Re: Drop Solaris, OpenSolaris, Illumos and OpenIndiana support in Python

2020-11-07 Thread Garrett D'Amore via Python-Dev
Just one note. Please don’t confuse illumos and the illumos community with Oracle or Solaris. While the illumos code base owes its origins to Solaris, that was due to the acts of Sun and not Oracle and today Oracle refuses to even acknowledge the existence of illumos. illumos is fully open so

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Guido van Rossum writes: > This I also agree with. We should not assume readers know any > particular other language, Most of my students have Python as their first language, and my university mandates using it in introductory courses as of this year. I agree that there are two audiences: thos

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-07 Thread Steve Holden
As I remember the webmaster@ discussions, Mats did go so far as to start a re-write of the classes section, but it never got as far as a PR. Kind regards, Steve On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 5:51 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > Ouch, that's bad. It seems the class tutorial could use an overhaul. > > We