[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread David Mertz, Ph.D.
I also haven't the faintest idea what might be intended by the phrase "I pretend your immediate excuses". But whatever the intention, it is clear Marco has veered off into angry ranting territory. Him taking a couple weeks away from this list would be an extremely good idea. On Sun, Aug 15, 2021,

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 at 03:15, Tim Peters wrote: > You think Steven was indirectly accusing you of unethical behavior > (trolling for StackOverflow upvotes)?. That's not the sense I got from > his original reply, but I can understand it if you did. If that's your > complaint, I'll leave it to Steve

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Marco Sulla ] > I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I > meant. Amazingly enough, the truth value of a proposition does not increase via repetition ;-) >>> bool(True * 1_000_000_000) True >>> bool(False * 1_000_000_000) False > But let me do a very rude example: > W

[Python-Dev] Re: Making code object APIs unstable

2021-08-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 4:56 AM Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 13.08.21 20:24, Guido van Rossum пише: > > If these weren't part of the stable ABI, I'd choose (E). But because > > they are, I think only (A) or (B) are our options. The problem with (C) > > is that if there's code that links to them but

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread MRAB
On 2021-08-15 22:50, Marco Sulla wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense of it. By my

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 7:56 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters > wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what > > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint > > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
I make an example: what if I said to you that you want, with your response, only endear Tim? Is it for you sarcastic or a subtle insinuation? ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:58, Irit Katriel wrote: > The reality, Marco, is that this list is for discussions about python > development, not for seeking help with understanding python. > It is not appropriate to "ask for help" on this list, and you are not > entitled to a reply within X working

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Irit Katriel via Python-Dev
This is the source of this whole misunderstanding: On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 9:34 PM Marco Sulla wrote: > > I asked for help, because I didn't know __nothing__ about what Monica > replied to me in the SO answer. And you say to me my post seems spam? > > [snipped] > And you continue to mark my p

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense > of it. By my count, this is at least the second t

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Marco Sulla ] > It's the Netiquette, Chris. It's older than Internet. It's a gross > violation of the Netiquette remarking grammatical or syntactical > errors. I think that also the least advanced AI will understand what I > meant. As multiple people have said now, including me, they had no idea

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:12, Tim Peters wrote: > > [Marco Sulla ] > > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > > have understood it. > > Sincerely, I have no idea what "I pretend your immediate excuses." > means, in or out of context. > > > Remarking grammatical er

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
It's the Netiquette, Chris. It's older than Internet. It's a gross violation of the Netiquette remarking grammatical or syntactical errors. I think that also the least advanced AI will understand what I meant. I think anyway that now the sense of my request is __very clear__. I ask the interventio

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Marco Sulla ] > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > have understood it. Sincerely, I have no idea what "I pretend your immediate excuses." means, in or out of context. > Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation > of the Netiquette. I ask __immediatel

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > As Chris implied, the second 'sentence' is not grammatical English > > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > have understood it. Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation > of the Netiquette. I ask __

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
Furthermore, I have 13k points of reputation on SO. They are also too much for me. I don't need dirty tricks to raise them. So I __pretend__ excuses from Steven, if it is a man. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an e

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 21:30, Terry Reedy wrote: I opened the bug https://bugs.python.org/issue44921 . Anyway, this does not change the insinuation I got here. > In any case, drop this tread, which started off wrongly. This thread will be dropped when Steven will give me the excuses for the una

[Python-Dev] Re: Making code object APIs unstable

2021-08-15 Thread Jim J. Jewett
Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: > > On 8/13/2021 1:24 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm actually not sure what use case you're talking about. "source/code that hadn't actually changed and was just being re-compiled and run". I've do

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Terry Reedy
SUMMARY: If you, Marco, want to get dicts subclasses made faster and you seriously think that they can be, open a proper issue on bugs.python.org., as I describe in 3 below. In any case, drop this tread, which started off wrongly. August 6, in response to the weekly post, Summary of Python tra

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:24 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow > > This is unacceptable. I pretend your immediate excuses. > ? I don't understand this, what do you mean? ChrisA ___

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow This is unacceptable. I pretend your immediate excuses. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-l