On 3/17/06, Thomas Heller theller at python.net wrote:
Accessing Python arrays (Numeric arrays, Numeric array, or Numpy
array) as ctypes arrays, and vice versa, without copying any memory,
would be a good thing.
This does bring up a point. I was thinking that a really bare-bones
nd-array
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes:
Can you please give examples for real-world applications of this
interface, preferably examples involving multiple
independently-developed libraries?
OK -- here's one I haven't seen in this thread yet:
wxPython has a lot code to translate between
Folks,
(note this is about 2.7 -- sorry, but a lot of us still use that! I
can only assume that in 3.* this is a non-issue)
I just discovered an issue that's been around a long time:
If you create an Exception with a unicode object for the message, the
message can be silently ignored if it can
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Fixing any bug is changing behavior; 2.7 is not frozen for bugfixes.
Thank you.
The real question is whether third-party code will break when the
now-empty error messages appear with '?' littered through them?
right
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Victor Stinner
If you create an Exception with a unicode object for the message, (...)
In Python 2, there are too many similar corner cases. It is impossible
to fix these bugs without taking the risk of introducing a regression.
Yes, there are -- the
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
It's not a given that the current behaviour *is* a bug.
I'll concede that it's not a bug unless someone said somewhere that
unicode messages should work .. but that's kind of a semantic
argument.
I have to say it's a
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org wrote:
I figured that even using the traceback.py module and getting
Exception: \u1234\u1235\u5321 is rather useless if you tried to
raise an exception with a message in Thai.
yup.
I believe this to also be
a bug, so I opened
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Procedurally, it's really easy. Ultimately it's up to the release
manager to decide which changes go into a release and which don't, and
Benjamin has already voiced an opinion.
Very early in the conversation, though
Folks,
It seems changing anything about how Exception messages are handles is off
the table for 2.7, and a non-issue in 3.*
Is it worth opening an issue on this, just so we can close it as won't fix?
Or is this thread documentation enough?
NOTE about py3: I'm assuming unicode messages are
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Christian Tismer tis...@stackless.comwrote:
according to pep 404, there will never be an official Python 2.8.
The migration path is from 2.7 to 3.x.
I agree with this strategy in almost all consequences but this one:
Many customers are forced to stick with
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Giampaolo Rodola' g.rod...@gmail.comwrote:
Isn't this redundant?
Path.cwd()
PosixPath('/home/antoine/pathlib')
Probably this is just personal taste but I'd prefer the more explicit:
Path(os.getcwd())
PosixPath('/home/antoine/pathlib')
I understand all
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Christian Tismer tis...@stackless.comwrote:
I am converted to an OS X developer since 2006, but never had ABI
problems,
because I use homebrew,
Right, different story -- you are supposed to compile everything on the
target system, so everything stays
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nzwrote:
Concerning the version number, I thought the intention of
PEP 404 was simply to say that the PSF would not be releasing
anything called Python 2.8, not to forbid anyone *else*
from doing so.
Or am I wrong about
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Christian Tismer tis...@stackless.comwrote:
I also think having a 2.8 out there that is exactly the same as 2.7,
except that it was built with a different version of a compiler on one
particular platform is a very very bad idea.
This was not my proposal. I
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nzwrote:
mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Package authors would have to create multiple binary releases of
the same modules for Windows, and upload them to PyPI. pip would have
to learn to download the right one, depending on what
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
None of the currently available binary distribution formats
distinguish Windows binaries by anything other than minor version. For
wheels (and I think eggs), this is a showstopper as the name is
essential metadata
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
For 2.7.7, I think some combination of the two following ideas would be
worth pursuing:
- a C runtime independent API flag (set by default on Windows when
building with a compiler other than VS2008). This would largely
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
Python-dev probably is a bit special.
Indeed -- I expect it to be totally non-representative of the broader
Python community.
Everyone on python-dev is at least interested in the process of moving
Python forward.
And
This has all gotten a bit complicated because everyone has been thinking in
terms of actual encodings and actual text files. But I think the use-case
here is something different:
A file with a bunch of bytes in it, _some_of which are ascii, and the rest
are other bytes (maybe binary data, maybe
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
latin-1 guaranteed to work with any binary data, and round-trip
accurately?
Yes, it is.
and will surrogateescape work for arbitrary binary data?
Yes, it will.
Then maybe this is really a documentation issue,
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Paul Moore
For example: b'\x01\x00\xd1\x80\xd1\83\xd0\x80'
If that were decoded using latin1 how would I then get the first two
bytes
to the integer 256 and the last six bytes to their Cyrillic meaning?
(Apologies for not testing myself, short on time.)
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Sorry, I was too short with my example. My use case is binary files, with
ASCII metadata and binary metadata, as well as ASCII-encoded numeric
values, binary-coded numeric values, ASCII-encoded boolean values, and
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Juraj Sukop juraj.su...@gmail.com wrote:
As you may know, PDF operates over bytes and an integer or floating-point
number is written down as-is, for example 100 or 1.23.
Just to be clear here -- is PDF specifically bytes+ascii?
Or could there be
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Using the 'latin-1' to mean unknown encoding can easily result
in Mojibake (unreadable text) entering your application with
dangerous effects on your other text data.
Agreed. The latin-1 suggestion is purely for people
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Juraj Sukop juraj.su...@gmail.com wrote:
What this all means is that the PDF objects are expressed in ASCII,
stream objects like images and fonts may have a binary part and I never
saw those UTF+16 strings.
hmm -- I wonder if they are out there in the wild,
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:
The correct way is to read the interface specification which tells you
what should be in the data. Or do people not use interface specifications
these days, preferring to guess what they've got instead?
No one is
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Yury Selivanov yselivanov...@gmail.comwrote:
- Try str(), and do .encode(‘ascii’, ‘stcict’)” on the result.
please no -- that's the source of a lot of pain in py2 now.
having a failure as a result of the value, rather than the type, of an
object just makes
For the record, we've got a pretty good thread (not this good, though!)
over on the numpy list about how to untangle the mess that has resulted
from porting text-file-parsing code to py3 (and the underlying issue with
the 'S' data type in numpy...)
One note from the github issue:
The use of
I hope you didn't mean to take this off-list:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Neil Schemenauer n...@arctrix.com wrote:
In gmane.comp.python.devel, you wrote:
For the record, we've got a pretty good thread (not this good, though!)
over on the numpy list about how to untangle the mess that
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Oscar Benjamin
oscar.j.benja...@gmail.comwrote:
long as numpy.loadtxt is explicitly documented as only working with
latin-1 encoded files (it currently isn't), there's no problem.
Actually there is problem. If it explicitly specified the encoding as
latin-1
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 February 2014 18:04, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote:
Am I missing something? How can I get this method down to a sane size?
The easiest way is usually to normalise the attributes to a sensible
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
AFACT, in that message Victor was only talking about allowing Unicode
filenames.
...
Finally, in most places Python 2.7 *does* handle Unicode filenames just
fine.
I'm a bit confused. In this example:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.infowrote:
If Python 4 is a conservative release, I don't see any reason to bump
the major version number until after Python 3.9.
and why even then?
Perhaps we need a long-term schedule?
why not:
3.5: August 2015
3.6:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.comwrote:
This is just an euphemism for not in observable future.
is ANY of the future observable?
Oh right, The Time Machine!
-Chris
--
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/ORR
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
The wording is typical for slightly indirect sales pitches in English.
yeah, it's spam.
The same non-specific (no language mentioned) message was sent to
python-list and, I presume, to tens or even hundreds of other
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Fred Drake f...@fdrake.net wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz
wrote:
ISO 8601 doesn't seem to define a representation for
negative durations, though, so it wouldn't solve the
original problem.
Aside from the
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Christian Tismer tis...@stackless.comwrote:
Then I rather often see things like this:
class someclass(object):
# note that there is no comment about argument destruction...
def __init__(self, **kwargs):
first_arg = kwargs.pop('option_1',
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
- I'd prefer a name that plays on 2 and 3, not 2 and 8. :-)
How about mirg2**3 (pronounced migrate) ?
;-)
-Chris
--
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
Emergency Response Division
NOAA/NOS/ORR
Ooops,
Forgot reply all last time -- here it is again.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote:
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Raymond Hettinger
raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote:
In fact, the distinction is extrinsic to their implementations
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Apr 26, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Janzert wrote:
So the one example under discussion is:
foo = long_function_name(
var_one, var_two,
var_three, var_four)
and comes from
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
foo = long_function_name(var_one,
var_two,
var_three
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.infowrote:
I would agree with having at least one example done with one arg per
line.
Is it really necessary? I think that one-arg-per-line is an obvious
variation of the existing example.
not really -- a lot of folks learn
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I don't think anyone should write code with variable width fonts,
The problem is that fixed pitch does not work well for even a half-way
complete unicode font and I don't know that there are any available.
...
Given that
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Mike Miller python-...@mgmiller.netwrote:
* watch Dave Beazley's PyCon 2014 talk for a good story involving one
of those manufacturer installed Pythons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ4Sn-Y7AP8
Thanks, I'm trying to get thru all the talk will watch that
[].sort() is None
True
ABC.lower() is None
False
That's a deliberate design choice, and one that has been explained a
few times on the list when folks ask why [].sort().reverse() doesn't
work when 'ABC'.lower().replace('-', '_') does.
Would it be worth adding such a note? Or
Thanks all,
Now I need to try to sum this all up to present to my students. ;-)
-Chris
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 5/20/2014 12:30 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
[].sort() is None
True
ABC.lower() is None
False
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
For that last point, my interest is as much educational as it is in
easing the transition from Python 2. The parentheses in print('Hello
world!') mean introducing the idea of function calls early to explain
how it works,
Why not just define Python 2.8 as Python 2.7 except with a newer compiler?
I cannot see why that would be massive undertaking, if changing compiler
for 2.7 is neccesary anyway.
A reminder that this was brought up a few months ago, as a proposal by the
stackless team, as they wanted to use a
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Paul Sokolovsky pmis...@gmail.com wrote:
1. It hampers interactive mode - instead of short and easy to type
execfile(file.py) one needs to use exec(open(file.py).read()).
If the amount of typing is the problem, that's easy to solve:
# do this once
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, when I started using python (15?) years ago -- the first thing I
looked for was a way to just run a file, at the interactive prompt, like
I had in MATLAB. I found and used execfile().
Yes, if people are looking
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:35 PM, David Wilson dw+python-...@hmmz.org wrote:
Repeated list and str concatenation both have quadratic O(N**2)
performance, but people frequently build up strings with +
join() isn't preferable in cases where it damages readability while
simultaneously
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 09:25:12AM -0700, Chris Barker wrote:
Good point -- I was trying to make the point about .join() vs + for
strings
in an intro python class last year, and made the mistake of having
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
I don't remember where, but I believe that cPython has an optimization
built in for repeated string concatenation, which is probably why you
aren't seeing big differences between the + and the sum().
Indeed -- clearly so.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org
wrote:
I'm referring to removing the unnecessary information that there's a
better way to do it, and simply raising an error (as in Python 3.2,
say) which is all a RealProgrammer[tm] should ever need!
I can't imagine
encouraging form core devs, so I guess that's it.
Thanks for the fun bike-shedding...
-Chris
Chris Barker writes:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull
step...@xemacs.org
wrote:
I'm referring to removing the unnecessary information that there's a
better
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
I think the biggest API problem is that default iteration returns
integers
instead of bytes. That's a real pain.
what is really needed for this NOT to be a pain is a byte scalar.
numpy has a scalar type for every type it
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
The byte scalar is an int in range(256). Bytes is an array of such.
then why the complaint about iterating over bytes producing ints? Ye,s a
byte owuld be pretty much teh same as an int, but it would have
restrictions -
but disallowing them in higher level
explicitly cross platform abstractions like pathlib.
I think the trick here is that posix-using folks claim that filenames are
just bytes, and indeed they can be passed around with a char*, so they seem
to be.
but you can't possible do anything other
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 20Aug2014 16:04, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal chris.bar...@noaa.gov
wrote:
So really, people treat them as
bytes-in-some-arbitrary-encoding-where-at-least the-slash-character-(and
maybe a couple others)-is-ascii
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com
wrote:
What encoding does have a text file (an HTML, to be precise) with
text in utf-8, ads in cp1251 (ad blocks were included from different
files) and comments in koi8-r?
Well, I must admit the HTML was rather an
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 05:30:14PM -0700, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote:
This brings up the other key problem. If file names are (almost)
arbitrary bytes, how do you write one to/read one from
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
However, we still think we should start providing pip by default to Python
2.7 users as well, at least as part of the Windows and Mac OS X installers.
serious +1 here.
Just last night I was writing up notes for an intro
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, Carol. Let us know via bugs.python.org of any
issues you see. BTW, the new installer format will be coming to Python
2.7.9 as well.
Are the supported platforms going to be the same? i.e.:
10.3+ --
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
1) Just always default to —user and add a —system or similar flag, this
is super easy to change but is a backwards incompatible change and
would need to go through a deprecation window.
Maybe would have been the
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
2) Switch to —user based on if the user has permission to write to the
site-packages or not.
ouch -- no. Why not a clear error message if pip can't write to
site-packages -- something like:
I fairly strongly
OK, this seems weird to me:
For what it’s worth, I almost exclusively write 2/3 compatible code (and
that’s
with the “easy” subset of 2.6+ and either 3.2+ or 3.3+)
ouch.
However the way it used to work
is that the newest version, with all the new features, would quickly become
the
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
For the time being, things like PyInstaller, PyRun, Portable Python,
etc are going to offer a better solution than anything we provide in
the standard installers.
See also Anaconda and Enthought Canopy. I think
, 2015, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov
wrote:
I'll edit the text as you suggest,
Done.
and then work on a patch -- I'm sure I'll have questions for Python-dev
when I actually do that, but I'll get started on my
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov
wrote:
I'll edit the text as you suggest,
Done.
and then work on a patch -- I'm sure I'll have questions for Python-dev
when I actually do that, but I'll get started on my own and see how far I
get.
OK -- big
Thank you Guido.
It'll be nice to see this all come to something.
Thanks to all who contributed to the discussion -- despite this being a
pretty simple function, I learned a lot and far more fully appreciate the
nuance of all of this.
I'll edit the text as you suggest, and then work on a patch
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
On 03/03/2015 01:17 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
Maybe it's time to rename the math module to _math and create a
math.py module, like _decimal/decimal? math.py should end with from
_math import *.
+1
What do folks
to do it.
Back to look at KR ;-)
-Chris
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:14 PM Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
On 03/03/2015 01:17 AM, Victor
Sorry to be brain dead here, but I'm a bit lost:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
For any given geographical location, loc, and a moment in time t expressed
as UTC time, one can tell what time was shown on a local clock-tower.
This
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I wrong, or is this a semantic question as to what wall time means?
You are right about what wall() means, but I should have been more
explicit about knowns and unknowns in the wall(loc, t) = lt
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
utc_time = f( location, utc_time )
These are two different problems, and one is much harder than the other!
(though both are ugly!)
You probably meant utc_time = f( location, wall_time) in the
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
Given that even if Difference existed, and even if we had a predefined
type alias for Difference[Iterable[str], str], you' still have to remember
to mark up all those functions with that annotation. It almost sounds
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Cory Benfield c...@lukasa.co.uk wrote:
It seems like the only place the type annotations will get used is in
relatively trivial cases where the types are obvious anyway. I don't
deny that *some* bugs will be caught, but I suspect they'll
overwhelmingly be
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Paul Sokolovsky pmis...@gmail.com wrote:
It does, and hope people won't be caught in static typechecking
loop and consider other usages too.
Im confused -- from the bit I've been skimming the discussion, over on
python-ideas, and now here, is that this is all
Thank you Jack.
Jack: I hate code and I want as little of it as possible in our product
I love that quote -- and I ALWAYS use it when I teach newbies Python. It's
kind of the point of Python -- you can get a lot done by writing very
little code.
I'm still confused about what all this type
Oh wait, maybe it won't -- a string IS a sequence of strings. That's why
this is an insidious bug in the first place.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I was just thinking today that for this, typing needs a subtraction
(difference) operation in addition
Folks,
After a huge delay, I finally found the time to implement the PEP 485
isclose() function, in C. I tihnk it's time for some review. I appologise
for the fact that I have little experience with C, and haven't used the raw
C API for years, but it's a pretty simple function, and there's lots
the docsstrings
better and some more/better tests.
-Chris
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Christian Heimes christ...@python.org
wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
On 2015-05-18 01:02, Chris Barker wrote:
* Is there a better way to create a False or True than
Lisa,
As noted, not the right list.
But seeing this kind of stuff done in High Schools is GREAT!
So one suggestion:
If this is Windows, there are two versions of python for Windows: 32bit and
64bit -- if an installer for a third-party package is looking for one of
those, and the other is
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com
wrote:
Many Unix tools need Python, so Mac OS X (like Linux distros and FreeBSD)
will always need a system Python. Yes, it would be great if could be called
spython or something else than python. But the main problem is
, 2015 11:23:57 AM CDT, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov
wrote:
I'm confused:
Doesn't py2exe (optionally) create a single file executable?
And py2app on the Mac creates an application bundle, but that is
more-or-less the equivalent on OS-X (you may not even be able to have a
single file
implementations.
And, of course, if cPython itself could be built in a way that makes
step(c) easier/less kludgy great!
-Chris
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On May 28, 2015 at 12:24:42 PM, Chris Barker (chris.bar...@noaa.gov)
wrote:
I'm confused
Getting lost as to what thread this belongs in...
But another tack to take toward a single executable is Cython's embedding
option:
https://github.com/cython/cython/wiki/EmbeddingCython
This is a quick and dirty way to create a C executable that will then run
the cythonized code, all linked to
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Paul Sokolovsky pmis...@gmail.com wrote:
An example of a product that does this is Chef, they install their
own Ruby and everything but libc into /opt/chef to completely isolate
themselves from the host system.
this sounds a bit like what conda does --
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote:
Barry Warsaw wrote:
I do think single-file executables are an important piece to Python's
long-term
competitiveness.
Really? It seems to me that desktop development is dying. What are the
critical use-cases
I'm confused:
Doesn't py2exe (optionally) create a single file executable?
And py2app on the Mac creates an application bundle, but that is
more-or-less the equivalent on OS-X (you may not even be able to have a
single file executable that can access the Window Manager, for instance)
Depending
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 4:40 AM, Tal Einat talei...@gmail.com wrote:
I filed http://bugs.python.org/issue24270 to track this, but there's a
fair bit of work to be done to integrate the changes into the existing
math module's code, tests and documentation.
Done. Patch attached to the
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Tal Einat talei...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov
wrote:
What do folks think about adding one to cmath as well, while we are at
it?
It should be pretty straightforward -- I could focus what time I have
I don't think I have permissions to comment on the issue,so I'm posting
here. If there is a way for me to post to the issue, someone let me know...
In the issue (http://bugs.python.org/issue24270) Tal wrote
I have a question regarding complex values. The code (from Chris Barker)
doesn't support
.
need a space between each and other
But it all looks good otherwise -- thanks!
-Chris
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote:
I don't think I have permissions to comment on the issue,so I'm posting
here. If there is a way for me to post to the issue, someone
Is it too late to get the isclose() code (PEP 485) into 3.5?
I posted the code here, and got a tiny bit of review, but have not yet
merged it into the source tree -- and don't know the process for getting it
committed to the official source.
So -- too late, or should I try to get that merge done
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote:
On 05/22/2015 02:29 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Is it too late to get the isclose() code (PEP 485) into 3.5?
...
Hopefully you can find a core dev familiar enough with the issues
involved that they can (quickly
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I think using the word 'naive' is both inaccurate and a mistake.
snip
'Naive' means simple, primitive, or deficient in informed judgement. It is
easy to take it as connoting 'wrong'.
In this context naive means having no
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
- A minute is exactly 60 seconds.
No leap second support, presumably. Also feature?
Leap seconds come in when you convert to a Calendar representation -- a
minute is 60 seconds, always -- even when passing over a leap
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
To me, Paul's example is a datetime operation: you start with a datetime
(7am today), perform arithmetic on it by adding a period of time (one
day), and get a datetime as the result (7am tomorrow).
Well, OK, let's
The only other thing I found
really weird about datetime is how Python 2 had no implementation of
a UTC tzinfo class, despite this being utterly trivial -
Huh? it is either so trivial that there is no point -- simiply say that
your datetimes are UTC, and you are done.
Or it's not the least
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