a bit more
intelligent than a plain list.
Oh please, yes. Replacing the current import code is one of the things
I really really want to see in 3.0.
Please no more metoos here; I've already forwarded this to the py3k
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yeah, i came to realize nothing helpful will ever come out from this list,
so i might as well stop trying.
Thanks for your encouraging words. Now go away. (Just returning your
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Next thing I would add is multi precision floating point type to the
core and fraction type, which in some cases highly improves operations,
which would have
OK, now I'm confused. I hope that Phillip understands this and will
know what to do.
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decorator shouldn't indicate the type of the return value (of calling
to be fixed, and in 2.5 as well.
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or is there some other procedure?
I guess the better place to ask is [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- this reaches the
PSF board which decides and has expertice about such matters. (And no,
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I was actually referring to the quality of the code.
On 4/22/06, John J Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
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Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person
that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I
be debatable; the module docstring warns
that the code hasn't been reviewed for security issues, but on the
other hand if there's a WSGI library, we do want the available HTTP
server to support it.
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On 4/24/06, Michael Foord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(oops - should have gone to list)
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Well, yes, the syntax is supposed to be something like for varlist in
testlist. Could you report this as a doc bug (if you found
the to-do item
UNLOCK
except that the outer LOCK/UNLOCK pair should be using a try/except
and the inner UNLOCK/LOCK pair should too. I don't see how you can do
this easily by rewriting the code; the rewrite would be considerably
ugly (or requires a GOTO :-).
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is the
dictionary size? Do they use ma_smalltable, or do they have an extra
ma_table?
But the space savings by using __slots__ is so much bigger! (And less
work than hacking the C code too. :-)
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course the existing try/finally is fine). I'm not sure if the use case
is strong enough to warrant adding it; I think it's fine not to
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On 4/25/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:37 AM 4/25/2006 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
But what's the use case? Have we actually got an example where it
makes sense to use the thing with __enter__ and __exit__ methods in
a with-statement, other than the (many) examples where
namespace, etc. The with-statement
does *not* create a namespace in this sense -- there's no new place
where name lookup can take place. In particular, this code prints 42:
x = 1
with whatever(doesnt_matter):
x = 42
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On 4/25/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 04:18 PM 4/25/2006 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
But the question remains,
under what circumstances is it convenient to call __context__()
explicit, and pass the result to a with-statement?
Oh. I don't know of any; I previously asked
On 4/25/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I would augment #1 to clarify that if you have __enter__ and __exit__
you may not have __context__ at all; if you have all three,
__context__ must return self.
Well, requiring
the particleness from the waveness, which was what
started this whole thing in the first place... :)
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* Guido van Rossum wrote:
So I have a very simple proposal: keep the __init__.py requirement for
top-level pacakages, but drop it for subpackages. This should be a
small change. I'm hesitant to propose *anything* new for Python 2.5,
so I'm
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So I have a very simple proposal: keep the __init__.py requirement for
top-level pacakages, but drop it for subpackages.
So this would mean that current non-package subdirectories in a package
(that contain things like
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On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 10:16 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
So I have a very simple proposal: keep the __init__.py requirement for
top-level pacakages, but drop it for subpackages. This should be a
small change. I'm hesitant to propose
On 4/26/06, André Malo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Guido van Rossum wrote:
On 4/26/06, André Malo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Guido van Rossum wrote:
So I have a very simple proposal: keep the __init__.py requirement
for top-level pacakages, but drop it for subpackages. This should
On 4/26/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:16 AM 4/26/2006 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
So I have a very simple proposal: keep the __init__.py requirement for
top-level pacakages, but drop it for subpackages.
Note that many tools exist which have grown to rely on the presence
OK, forget it. I'll face the pitchforks.
I'm disappointed though -- it sounds like we can never change anything
about Python any more because it will upset the oldtimers.
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This wouldn't work of course -- the newbie would try to test it before
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At 01:49 PM 4/26/2006 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
OK, forget it. I'll face the pitchforks.
I'm disappointed though -- it sounds like we can never change anything
about Python any more because it will upset the oldtimers.
I know exactly
it) that does not involve changing the language or its
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OK, forget it. I'll face the pitchforks.
Maybe this'll help:
http://python.org/sf/1477281
(You can call it 'oldtimer-repellant' if you want to use it to convince
people
. There's nothing particularly unpythonic about
optional behavior; e.g. classes may or may not provide an __init__
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useful to distinguish a subpackage from a non-subpackage?
Anyway, the warning is more compatible and just as helpful so we'll go
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other magic an import handler users.
(Thomas's warning won't happen in those cases BTW -- it only affects
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On Thursday 27 April 2006 06:49, Guido van Rossum wrote:
OK, forget it. I'll face the pitchforks.
I'm disappointed though -- it sounds like we can never change
anything about Python any more because it will upset the oldtimers.
I'm
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But I'm fine with the warning -- it should be enough to keep Google's
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very rarely the case, I believe)
or lastly, make regrtest.py ignore those specific warnings?
I'd say the latter. That's how we deal with warnings during the test
suite in general don't we?
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The change below was rolled back because it broke other stuff. But IMO
it is actually necessary to fix this,
Huh? The change you showed wasn't reverted AFAICT; it's still on the trunk
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that need
and those that do can download it from SF.
- Support for building fat Mac binaries (Intel and PPC)
(Owner: Ronald Oussoren)
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wsgiref is the most important one, I think. If there's anything I can
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decision is not the goal; having general consensus that adding it
would be better than not adding is would be good. Pointing out
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(but probably a bit simpler):
http://svn.pythonpaste.org/Paste/trunk/paste/urlmap.py
IMO this is getting into framework design. Perhaps something like this
could be added in 2.6?
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I think another useful addition would be some prefix-based dispatcher,
similar to paste.urlmap (but probably a bit
for doing what you think is best.
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since they seem exclusive to text
processing. Ditto for strip/lstrip/rstrip although an argument for
those could probably be made, with mandatory 2nd arg.)
Unhelpfully y'rs,
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to be done well
before the planned 2.5b1 release (see PEP 256 for the 2.5 release
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_update_wrapper() wouldn't be just as useful. (Perhaps with a simpler
API -- I'm tempted to call YAGNI on the __decorator__ and
__decorates__ attributes.)
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that are
often incremented or decremented could reduce writing:
with mycontext.some_method(prec_incr=2):
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case where it had its own __enter__ and __exit__ methods that called
the corresponding methods of the underlying lock. The code currently
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to fix PEP 343? Or at least come up with a
draft patch? We can take this off-linel with all the +0's and +1's
coming in I'm pretty comfortable with this change now, although we
should probably wait until later today to commit.
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be used for the join() builtin that
some folks are demanding: join(iterable, sep= , auto_str=False).
For the record, I'm +1 on Talin's PEP, -1 on join.
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I expect that at some point people will want to tweak what gets copied
by _update_wrapper() -- e.g. some attributes may need to be
deep-copied, or personalized, or skipped, etc.
What exactly do you have in mind
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For the record, I'm holding off adding join() for now; I'd rather
speed up the += operation.
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I understand the underlying implementation
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Wouldn't this be an incompatible change? That would make it a no-no.
Providing a dummy argv[0] isn't so hard is it?
It would be incompatible with existing code, but that code is
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This will print the initial value for sys.argv, not [a, b, c].
With the late binding version it will print [a, b, c]:
def foo(argv=None):
if argv is None:
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will first have to
implement the new I/O library, which is what I'm focusing on right
now. I already have a fairly minimal but functional bytes type, which
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sometimes thought
it would be useful to be able to say something like
make_person(=name, =age, =phone, =location)
And even with Terry's use case quoted I can't make out what you meant
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I'm -1 on *dis*allowing reusing a name bound in a for loop in any
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make_person(=name, =age, =phone, =location)
And even with Terry's use case quoted I can't make out what you meant
that to do.
I meant it to do the same thing
Reminder: the best way to get rid of a troll is to ignore him.
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respect to one another will be ordered. Equality tests are unaffected,
x==y will simply return False if x and y are of incomparable types;
but xy (etc.) will raise an exception.
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that the programmer will know whether
they are expecting a dict or an object with attributes.
Hm, perhaps [EMAIL PROTECTED] might work? It's not an existing binary operator.
Or perhaps # or !.
It's too late to think straight so this will have to be continued...
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On 5/19/06, Talin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3101/]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/cpguide/html/cpconcompositeformatting.asp
[on width spec a la .NET]
We already have that now, don't we? If you look at the docs for String
of the second part. So I am not sure
that there is anything more to discuss.
Perhaps I should go ahead and put 3102 on c.l.p at this point.
+1
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It seems I have libz 1.1.4. Is this no longer supported?
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Then options 2 and 3 are both fine.
Not compiling at all is *not*, so if nobody has time to implement 2 or
3, we'll have to do 4.
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What was the purpose of the patch in the first place?
I don't fully
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