[Python-Dev] Re: Stale PR

2021-07-06 Thread Brian Curtin
Before looking at the code, my first question would be about the description: "I kinda ran out of time, i suspect more testing is due." If you were out of time then it's probably not done and maybe lacks the tests you initially thought it did, so did you find the time and/or is the PR done? On

[Python-Dev] Re: Is the Python review process flawed?

2021-06-29 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 10:38 AM wrote: > I just stumbled upon the following issue and subsequent pull request. It > is a very small bugfix. There is currently a bug in Python and this pull > request fixes it. It's not a new feature or an enhancement, it is a bugfix! > Yet, it doesn't get

[Python-Dev] Re: Steering Council update for February

2021-03-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 17:54 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw > wrote: > > > > > Does 'master' confuse people? > > > > There's a general movement to replace language from common programming > practises that derive from, or are associated with, the

[Python-Dev] Re: Python Documentation, Python language improvement, and productive discussion

2020-10-09 Thread Brian Curtin
Hey Team, Has this workgroup started yet? If not, can I help get it going, or if so, is there a mailing list or place where things are happening? Brian Curtin On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 12:58 Carol Willing wrote: > Hi folks, > > Thanks for the interest. I apologize for the delay i

[Python-Dev] Re: [RELEASE] Python 2.7.18, the end of an era

2020-04-21 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:31 AM Larry Hastings wrote: > On 4/20/20 8:06 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > I'm eudaemonic to announce the immediate availability of Python 2.7.18. [...] > Over all those years, CPython's core developers and contributors sedulously > applied bug fixes to the 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] Helping with Documentation

2018-10-29 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:36 AM Kenneth Reitz wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I’d like to become a core contributor to Python, by contributing polish to > its documentation (adding missing pieces, modernize it a bit in spots, add > more usage examples (itertools), etc). > > > > Is anyone already

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email

2018-05-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 2:45 PM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > On 03.05.2018 21:31, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > On Thu, 3 May 2018 at 01:27 Paul Moore wrote: > >> On 3 May 2018 at 03:26, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> >> Will

Re: [Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter?

2018-05-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:37 PM Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2018 23:28:22 +0200 > Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote: > > On Wed, 02 May 2018 21:24:07 + > > Brian Curtin <br...@python.org> wrote: > > > On Wed,

Re: [Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter?

2018-05-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 16:55 Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > As https://bugs.python.org/issue33257 and > https://bugs.python.org/issue33316 showed, Tkinter is broken, for both > Py2 and Py3, with both threaded and non-threaded Tcl, since 2002 at > least, and no-one

Re: [Python-Dev] Why is Python for Windows compiled with MSVC?

2018-02-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 4:19 AM, Oleg Sivokon wrote: > > > so why shouldn’t the one with the most users? > > Because it makes compilation difficult, and cross-compilatin completely > impossible? Why is it difficult: a package maintainer needs to (1) buy MS > Windows (2) create

Re: [Python-Dev] Reorganize Python categories (Core, Library, ...)?

2017-10-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > Python uses a few categories to group bugs (on bugs.python.org) and > NEWS entries (in the Python changelog). List used by the blurb tool: > > #.. section: Security > #.. section: Core and Builtins > #..

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 553: Built-in debug()

2017-09-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > IIRC they indeed insinuate debug() into the builtins. My suggestion is > also breakpoint(). > I'm also a bigger fan of the `breakpoint` name. `debug` as a name is already pretty widely used, plus breakpoint is more

Re: [Python-Dev] Exact date of Python 2 EOL?

2017-03-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 23, 2017, at 09:41 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > >>Can we pick an official date? > > Benjamin should pick the date and update PEP 373. Not to start a bikeshed (calendarshed?), but how about 8 February 2020, or 2/8 as

Re: [Python-Dev] Top python roles

2017-02-03 Thread Brian Curtin
There are a lot more than "guys" on this list, and it's for the development of the Python language, not for recruiting. Please take this elsewhere. On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 20:10 Marta Daglow wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > How are you guys? > > > > I’ve just gotten off

Re: [Python-Dev] I hope this won't be my last comment here ~ yet it may well be...

2016-04-21 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Burkhard Meier wrote: > Please do allow me to share my humble experiences of being a software > professional on a Windows platform. > > Almost 20 years. > > You know what; when I tried out 'sugar Linux' or Peppermint,,,the "admin' > dude

[Python-Dev] Benchmark results across all major Python implementations

2015-11-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Monday, November 16, 2015, Brett Cannon > wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 12:24 Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > >> Hi Brett >> >> Any thoughts on improving the benchmark set (I think all of >>

[Python-Dev] Benchmark results across all major Python implementations

2015-11-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Monday, November 16, 2015, Brett Cannon > wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 12:24 Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > >> Hi Brett >> >> Any thoughts on improving the benchmark set (I think all of >>

Re: [Python-Dev] A quick word on top posting

2015-07-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Monday, July 20, 2015, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote: Your +infinity could have easily been top posted -- particularly when there's no in-line comments that require context. just-because-I'm-on-what-feels-like-a-300-baud-connection-ly yr's, Emile On 7/19/2015 2:16 PM, Mark

Re: [Python-Dev] Single-file Python executables (was: Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2)

2015-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: I'm confused: Doesn't py2exe (optionally) create a single file executable? And py2app on the Mac creates an application bundle, but that is more-or-less the equivalent on OS-X (you may not even be able to have a

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2015 at 10:56, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you care about

Re: [Python-Dev] version of freshly built 2.7 python

2015-04-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: On 04/02, Alexander Walters wrote: On 4/2/2015 21:29, Ethan Furman wrote: I just built the latest version of Python 2.7 on my development machine -- or so I thought. When I invoke it, I get: Python 2.7.6+

Re: [Python-Dev] pep 7

2015-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Neil Girdhar mistersh...@gmail.com wrote: The code reviews I got asked me to revert PEP 7 changes. I can understand that, but then logically someone should go ahead and clean up the code. It's not high risk if you just check for whitespace equivalence of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Why does pip upgrade to a random version?

2015-02-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Martin Thoma i...@martin-thoma.de wrote: Could somebody please have a look at the following SO question? It seems as if I might have found a bug in pip: http://stackoverflow.com/q/28282671/562769 TL;DR of the SO question: I executed `$ sudo pip install hwrt

Re: [Python-Dev] development

2015-01-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Alan Armour aarm...@cipmail.org wrote: can you guys develop an audio kit that works around jackd or on windows directx? and tutorials to write synthesizers. and drum machines like a tr-606 with triggers ( I want to trigger a drum synth like the March

Re: [Python-Dev] Compile Python on Windows (OpenSSL)

2015-01-13 Thread Brian Curtin
that Ultimate includes a *lot* of things, not only a C compiler. I found a free Visual Studio which is in fact Visual Studio 2013 Community and I read that it's not free. I sent an email to Brian Curtin to ask to renew my MSDN account. He didn't reply yet. I saw that and will send

Re: [Python-Dev] Compile Python on Windows (OpenSSL)

2015-01-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, To compile Python on Windows, there are a few information in the Developer Guide: https://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html#windows-compiling Python 3.5 now requires Visual Studio 2010 *SP1*, or newer

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Skip Montanaro skip.montan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: IMO, you should consider forking your library code for Python2 and Python3. I don't get the idea that Brett Cannon agrees with you:

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

2014-11-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:55:50AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: But I strongly believe that if we want to do the right thing for the long term, we should switch to GitHub. Encouraging a software, or social,

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Windows is not the primary target of Python developers, probably because most of them work on Linux. Official Python binaries are currently built by Microsoft Visual Studio. Even if Python developers get free

Re: [Python-Dev] Sad status of Python 3.x buildbots

2014-09-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 Sep 2014 08:15, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: x86 RHEL 6 3.x: TestReadline.test_init() fails, issue #19884. I don't have to this platform, I don't know how to fix it. Sorry, I haven't been a

Re: [Python-Dev] Bluetooth 4.0 support in socket module

2014-07-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Tim Tisdall tisd...@gmail.com wrote: Is there some online documentation with guidelines on how to contribute? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=contribute+to+python This response is unacceptable.

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: On 06/11/2014 07:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: ISTM what you want is not shell=True, but a separate function that follows the system policy for

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Zachary Ware zachary.ware+py...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: Thoughts/comments/concerns? My only concern is support for elderly versions of Windows, in particular: XP. I seem to recall the

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: What this means for Python is that C

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 06.06.2014 20:25, Brian Curtin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:56 PM, dw+python-...@hmmz.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 10:49:24PM +0400, Brian Curtin wrote: None of the options are particularly good, but yes, I think that's an option we have to consider. We're supporting 2.7.x for 6 more years on a compiler that is already

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:56 PM, dw+python-...@hmmz.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 10:49:24PM +0400, Brian Curtin wrote: None of the options

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:42 PM, dw+python-...@hmmz.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 05:33:45AM +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: Is it really any difference in maintenance if you just stop applying updates to 2.7 and switch to 2.8? If 2.8 is really just 2.7 with a new compiler then there

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Jun 6, 2014 6:01 PM, Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: Adding features into 3.x is already not enough of a carrot on the stick for many users. Intentionally leaving 2.7 on a dead compiler is like beating them with the stick. Those who

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Jun 6, 2014 6:33 PM, Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: Well we're certainly not going to assume such a thing. I know people do that, but many don't (I never have). If Python 2.7 users are left with a dead compiler on Windows

[Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: I don't think we have recent download numbers since the Website overhaul (do we?), but Python 3 isn't an experimental concept language anymore (it hasn't been since 3.3 or 3.2, I'd say). Using the old logs, which are

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On May 28, 2014 12:49 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: I don't think we have recent download numbers since the Website overhaul (do we?), but Python 3 isn't an experimental concept language anymore

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On May 28, 2014 4:06 PM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: Is the Windows/Mac ratio still 70/30, with Linux in the single digits? Most Linux installs go through package managers which don't count here, no?

Re: [Python-Dev] Questions regarding Windows buildbots

2014-05-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Claudiu Popa pcmantic...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I'm working on a patch for issue bugs.python.org/issue8579 (Add missing tests for FlushKey, LoadKey, and SaveKey in winreg). This issue requires the SeBackupPrivilege in order to use LoadKey and SaveKey. While

Re: [Python-Dev] Tix version needed to build 2.7 Windows installer?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Zachary Ware zachary.ware+py...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Zachary Ware zachary.ware+py...@gmail.com wrote: I updated the 2.7 buildbot scripts to pull in Tcl/Tk 8.5.15 a couple of weeks ago (see http://bugs.python.org/issue21303), but

[Python-Dev] Tix version needed to build 2.7 Windows installer?

2014-05-08 Thread Brian Curtin
This is mostly a question for Martin, but perhaps someone else would also know. I'm trying to build the 2.7 installers so I can backport the path option from 3.3, but I can't seem to figure out which version of Tix is necessary to have a complete build. So far any of them on

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7.7. on Windows

2014-04-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mike Miller python-...@mgmiller.net wrote: On 04/29/2014 05:12 AM, Steve Dower wrote: This would be an incredibly painful change that would surprise and hurt a lot of people. Hi, I think incredibly painful is overstating the case a bit. ;) We're talking

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7.7. on Windows

2014-04-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: Mike Miller wrote: On 04/29/2014 05:12 AM, Steve Dower wrote: This would be an incredibly painful change that would surprise and hurt a lot of people. Hi, I think incredibly painful is overstating the case a bit.

Re: [Python-Dev] Whats New in 3.4 is pretty much done...

2014-03-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 3/13/2014 7:34 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Christian Heimes writes: But I don't want it to sound like an advert... Suggestions? Not to worry. It *can't* be an advert -- it's all true, and there are no irrelevant

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4: don't remove anything, don't break backward compatibility

2014-03-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: For example, I propose to release the next major Python version (3.5) with the version 4.0 but without removing anything. People put a lot of weight behind version numbers, often much more than they should. Jumping

Re: [Python-Dev] Getting Introduced with the Community and Looking forward to Contribute to the Project as part of Gsoc 2014

2014-02-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Nitika nitikaagarwa...@gmail.com wrote: I had got myself aware of the source to some extent and had forked on my github account. The python source isn't forked in your github. A Github mirror of the Mercurial repository (hg.python.org) is available at

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: [python-tulip] Need help to finish asyncio documentation

2014-02-08 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2014-02-08 23:32, Guido van Rossum wrote: We could really use more help reviewing and finishing asyncio's docs! Some spelling mistakes: http://docs.python.org/dev/library/asyncio.html mimicks

Re: [Python-Dev] str.rreplace

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2014 17:19, Ram Rachum wrote: Hmm, on one hand I understand the need for the separation between python-dev and python-list, but on the other hand I don't think python-list is a good place to discuss

Re: [Python-Dev] str.rreplace

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2014 22:44, Brian Curtin wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2014 17:19, Ram Rachum wrote: Hmm, on one hand I understand the need

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

2014-01-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM, John Yeuk Hon Wong gokoproj...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/22/14 8:16 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Which is exactly the way most non-web-specialists working inside the comfort of corporate and academic firewalls will react to a change that breaks their access to

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, John Yeuk Hon Wong gokoproj...@gmail.com wrote: I think it helps Luca and many others (including myself) if there is a reference of the difference between 2.7 and Python 3.3+. Not

Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator

2013-12-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Ryan Gonzalez rym...@gmail.com wrote: Just don't run it on Windows... Not helpful. I'm in meetings/training/traveling all week, but I'll get another Windows build slave up within the next few days. I used to have a spare desktop box that ran a build slave as

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Christian Tismer tis...@stackless.com wrote: Hey Barry, On 20.11.13 23:30, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 20, 2013, at 09:52 PM, Christian Tismer wrote: Many customers are forced to stick with Python 2.X because of other products, but they require a Python

Re: [Python-Dev] NTPath or WindowsPath?

2013-11-17 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: 16.11.13 21:15, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла): In a (private) discussion about PEP 428 and pathlib, Guido proposed that maybe NTPath should be renamed to WindowsPath, since the name is more likely to stay relevant in

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.7): Issue #XXXXX: Fix test_idle so that idlelib test cases are actually run

2013-11-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 11/3/2013 11:48 PM, terry.reedy wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/cced7981ec4d changeset: 86908:cced7981ec4d branch: 2.7 user:Terry Jan Reedy tjre...@udel.edu date:Sun Nov 03 23:37:54 2013

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for marking limited API elements in C API docs

2013-10-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: 12.10.13 22:56, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла): On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:19:16 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 12.10.2013 20:20, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: 12.10.13 21:04, Georg Brandl написав(ла): in

Re: [Python-Dev] when to fix cross-version bugs?

2013-09-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: I recently committed a fix for unicodeobject.c so that the %d, %i, and %u format specifiers always output values (otherwise, in subclasses, the str() was used instead). Should this be fixed in 3.3 as well? What

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 modernisation

2013-08-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 8/1/2013 11:03 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: ...and, if so, why lambda's?(: Without backward compatibility point I see that they are getting unofficially deprecated and their usage is dishonoured. Please stop both the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 modernisation

2013-08-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 8/1/2013 11:03 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: ...and, if so, why lambda's?(: Without backward compatibility point I see that they are getting unofficially

Re: [Python-Dev] Official github mirror for CPython?

2013-07-25 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Christian Heimes christ...@python.org wrote: Am 25.07.2013 16:29, schrieb Eli Bendersky: Hi all, I've been looking for a Github mirror for Python, and found two: * https://github.com/python-git/python has a lot of forks/watches/starts but seems to be very

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 as a Default in Linux Distros

2013-07-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda bkab...@redhat.com wrote: - Should we point /usr/bin/python to Python 3 when we make the move?

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Fix #18530. Remove extra stat call from posixpath.ismount

2013-07-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: Could you please keep the comment # A symlink can never be a mount point ? It is useful. (I didn't know that, I'm not a windows developer.) I don't think that's specific to Windows, but I added it back in

Re: [Python-Dev] Building a Faster Python

2013-07-21 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Ben Hoyt benh...@gmail.com wrote: PyBench2.0 shows the total running time dropping from 5653ms to 4571ms. That's very cool -- a significant improvement. Is this the kind of change that could go into 2.7.6 binaries? As a Windows user, it makes me wonder if

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7.5 baking

2013-05-15 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 15.05.2013 09:55, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: On 12.05.2013 06:03, Benjamin Peterson wrote: The long anticipated emergency 2.7.5 release has now been tagged. It will be publicly announced as binaries arrive. Originally, I

Re: [Python-Dev] First post

2013-05-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Carlos Nepomuceno carlosnepomuc...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys! This is my first post on this list. I'd like have your opinion on how to safely implement WSGI on a production server. My benchmarks show no performance differences between our PHP and Python

Re: [Python-Dev] make a Windows installation package (.msi) for Python 3.3

2013-05-10 Thread Brian Curtin
feature. Brian Curtin (br...@python.org) pointed me to Tools/msi/msi.py for the Windows MSI builder. I tried to follow the instructions in the README but couldn’t make it to work after a few twists and turns. Brian mentioned that few people needs to do this and only release managers handle

Re: [Python-Dev] Any script to create the installation pacakge of Python 3.3.1 on Windows and *NIX?

2013-05-08 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Jianfeng Mao j...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: To Python-Dev committers: I am working on a project to embed a slightly customized Python interpreter in our own software. For easy installation and setup, we want to be able to do the standard Python installation

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 379 Python launcher for Windows - behaviour for #!/usr/bin/env python line is wrong

2013-05-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: I would propose that the behaviour of the launcher on Windows should be changed when it encounters specifically the hashbang line #!/usr/bin/env python. In that case, it should search PATH for a copy of python.exe, and if it

Re: [Python-Dev] I cannot create bug reports

2013-04-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Daniel Wong allyourc...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. That was the problem. I feel kind of stupid now. In my defense, the error message could have been more helpful, and requesting the bug creation form could have thrown up a login error instead of showing up

Re: [Python-Dev] Destructors and Closing of File Objects

2013-04-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: [ Note: I already asked this on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15917502 but didn't get any satisfactory answers] Sorry, but that's not a reason to repost your question to this list. If you have to ask somewhere else,

[Python-Dev] Google Summer of Code - Organization Deadline Approaching - March 29

2013-03-26 Thread Brian Curtin
Just an FYI that there are under 3 days to apply to Google Summer of Code for mentoring organizations: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013. The student application deadline is later on in May. If you run a project that is interested in applying under the Python umbrella

Re: [Python-Dev] IDLE in the stdlib

2013-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Xavier Morel python-...@masklinn.net wrote: That would be a blow to educators, but also Windows users: while the CLI works very nicely in unices, that's not the case with the win32 console which is as best as I can describe it a complete turd, making IDLE a

Re: [Python-Dev] VC++ 2008 Express Edition now locked away?

2013-03-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any plan for future Python versions to use a free compiler on Windows? That would eliminate this issue, but presumably would create others. No plan, although there are at times patches/issues floating around to

[Python-Dev] Introducing Electronic Contributor Agreements

2013-03-04 Thread Brian Curtin
The full announcement is at http://blog.python.org/2013/03/introducing-electronic-contributor.html, but a summary follows. We've now moved to an electronic Contributor License Agreement form at http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ which will hopefully ease the signing and sending of

Re: [Python-Dev] Introducing Electronic Contributor Agreements

2013-03-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: The full announcement is at http://blog.python.org/2013/03/introducing-electronic-contributor.html, but a summary follows. ... Brian, Do you want

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

2013-02-27 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello all, PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is nearly upon us. We have a good number of people confirmed to attend. If you are intending to come to the language summit but haven't let me know please do so.

Re: [Python-Dev] Built with VS2012 Express for desktop

2013-02-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, rahul garg rahulg...@live.ca wrote: Hi. I downloaded Python 3.3 source, opened up the solution in VS2012 Express for Desktop and built the python subproject using Release and x64 configurations. I now have a python.exe in the PCBuild/amd64 subfolder that

Re: [Python-Dev] My CLA

2013-02-11 Thread Brian Curtin
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[Python-Dev] PyCon Tickets Almost Sold Out

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Curtin
Since the Language Summit is held at PyCon I think this counts as on-topic... If you're interested in going to the conference, there are under 50 tickets remaining: https://us.pycon.org/2013/registration/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 (PyPI metadata 1.3)

2013-02-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Simon Cross hodgestar+python...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: Bento is the only available packaging tool to heap praise onto and it is impressive. If Bento is cool, is there some way we can help it gain

[Python-Dev] FYI - wiki.python.org compromised

2013-01-07 Thread Brian Curtin
On December 28th, an unknown attacker used a previously unknown remote code exploit on http://wiki.python.org/. The attacker was able to get shell access as the moin user, but no other services were affected. Some time later, the attacker deleted all files owned by the moin user, including all

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Fix #14470. Remove w9xpopen per PEP 11.

2012-12-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com wrote: You missed artifacts in ./PC/VC6 ./PC/VS7.1 ./PC/VS8.0 ./PC/VS9.0 Fixed in http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/deee9f0a4b98 Also reported http://bugs.python.org/issue16769 about removing some those directories because

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3145 (With Contents)

2012-12-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 7:42 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: What should I do in case Eric lost interest after his GSoC project for PSF appeared as useless for python-dev community? Should I rewrite the proposal from scratch? Before you attempt that, start by trying to have a

[Python-Dev] PandaBoard, Raspberry Pi coming to Buildbot fleet

2012-12-20 Thread Brian Curtin
Last week in Raymond's dictionary thread, the topic of ARM came up, along with the relative lack of build slave coverage. Today Trent Nelson received the PandaBoard purchased by the PSF, and a Raspberry Pi should be coming shortly as well.

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: General comments: It seems like the consensus is moving towards making sure there always is a database available. If this means including it in the standard Python distribution as well, or only on Windows, I don't

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2012-12-12 23:33, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: As a Windows user, I would like there to be one tz data file used by all Python versions on my machine,

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Dec 12, 2012 7:24 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 12/12/2012 7:27 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2012-12-12 23:33, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Janzert janz...@janzert.com wrote: On 12/12/2012 8:43 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: On 12/12/2012 5:36 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: C:\ProgramData\Python ^ That. Is not the path that the link below is talking about, though. It actually does

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 December 2012 15:39, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: Should the windows installer include the data package? -- It has been suggested that the Windows

Re: [Python-Dev] Is is worth disentangling distutils?

2012-12-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Antonio Cavallo a.cava...@cavallinux.eu wrote: I'm not into the py3 at all so I wonder how possibly it could fit/collide into the big plan. Or I'll be wasting my time? If you're not doing it on Python 3 then you are wasting your time.

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing Argument Clinic, a new way of specifying arguments to builtins for CPython

2012-12-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: But going through python-ideas for this I think is a bit much. It would never end. I think an issue on roundup could work just fine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] New Contributor Experience in Python and other FOSS Communities - A Survey

2012-11-27 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: Hi all, Along with a number of other free and open communities, Python is being included in a survey of new contributors since January 2010. The survey is being done by Kevin Carillo, a PhD student at Victoria University

[Python-Dev] New Contributor Experience in Python and other FOSS Communities - A Survey

2012-11-19 Thread Brian Curtin
=en There's a longer blog post up at http://blog.python.org/2012/11/new-contributor-experience-in-python.html if you would like a bit more information. On behalf of Kevin Carillo, I thank you for your time and consideration of this survey. Brian Curtin

Re: [Python-Dev] externals?

2012-11-18 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:18 AM, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Zitat von Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org: Hi, On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: One way would be to use one hg repo per version, and (maybe, if needed) a master repo that has them as subrepos.

Re: [Python-Dev] performance of {} versus dict()

2012-11-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Mark Adam dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:12 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Hi All, A colleague pointed me at Doug's excellent article here: ...which made me a little sad, I suspect I'm not the only one who finds:

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