Re: [Python-Dev] FYI: Python 2.7.1 + gcc 4.6 (experimental) probable optimizer problem

2011-01-11 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Does that version of gcc emit any warnings during compilation? Yes, there are a few: http://cci.lbl.gov/~rwgk/tmp/gcc_trunk_168695_fc14_py271/ This is with: g++ (GCC) 4.6.0 20110112 (experimental) Ralf___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Real segmentation fault handler

2008-09-29 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
FWIW: I didn't have much luck translating segfaults into exceptions. It (seemed) to work on some platforms, but not others; this was in the context of C++. In my experience, it is more useful to generate Python and C stack traces and bail out. I also do this for floating-point exceptions. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Different float formatting on Windows and Linux

2008-02-18 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
The tests for float.__format__ are breaking on Windows, because of this issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue1600. Basically, Windows is using 3 digits for exponents 100, and Linux (and at least MacOS) are using 2. Yes, this is very annoying and I once lost of lot of time because of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5.1c1 pickle problem

2007-04-15 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Hi Raymond, Thanks for the detailed explanation! I'm not sure what your code was doing where the bugfix would cause breakage. If its __getitem__() override returned a meaningful value for each element in obj.keys(), then it should have worked fine. Of course, if it was raising an exception

[Python-Dev] Python 2.5.1c1 pickle problem

2007-04-11 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
When pickling instances of an object derived from dict, the pickle in Python 2.5.1c1 calls the object's __getitem__() method. In contrast, earlier versions of Python incl. 2.5 don't call that method. Below is a minimal example with outputs. Is the difference in behavior an oversight or new

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5.1 plans

2007-01-04 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
It would be nice if this simple fix could be included (main branch and 2.5.1): https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=1598181group_id=5470atid=105470 [ 1598181 ] subprocess.py: O(N**2) bottleneck I submitted the trivial fix almost two months ago, but apparently nobody feels

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-28 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. L�wis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: If there is a consenus, I'd create a new exception ImportErrorNoModule(name) that is used consistently from all places. This would ensure uniformity of the message in the future. A correction proposal

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-26 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. L�wis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So spend some of the money to come up with an alternate solution for 2.5b2. With a potential damage of a million dollars, it shouldn't be too difficult to provide a patch by tomorrow, right? My share is only 10 man hours, payed for by the US

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-25 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/06, Fred L. Drake, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 25 June 2006 20:48, Greg Ewing wrote: BTW, when that was being discussed, did anyone consider allowing a directory to be given a .py suffix as an alternative way to mark

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-24 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. L�wis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The specific question was Is there a way to set the warning options via an environment variable? This has nothing to do with beta1; the warnings module was introduced many releases ago, along with all the mechanics to disable warnings. Due

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-24 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know. Whether a warning is a problem is a matter of attitude, also. Our users will think our applications are broken if they see warnings like that. It is not professional. __ Do You Yahoo!?

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-24 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott David Daniels wrote: I am not sure about your compiler, but if I remember the standard correctly, the following code shouldn't complain: PyObject_CallFunction((PyObject*) (void *) PyRange_Type, lll,

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-24 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Jean-Paul Calderone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is safe to say that Twisted is more widely used than anything Google has yet released. Twisted also has a reasonably plausible technical reason to dislike this change. Google has a bunch of engineers who, apparently, cannot remember

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-23 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Tim Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve] Thanks! This does the trick for me: #if PY_VERSION_HEX = 0x0203 PyObject_CallFunction( (PyObject*) PyRange_Type, lll, start, start+len*step, step) Note that this is extremely lax about possible

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-23 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: Thanks! This does the trick for me: #if PY_VERSION_HEX = 0x0203 PyObject_CallFunction( (PyObject*) PyRange_Type, lll, start, start+len*step, step) #else PyRange_New(start

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: Is there a way to set the warning options via an environment variable? This is off-topic for python-dev, What is the channel I should use? (I am testing a beta 1.) but: why don't switch off the warnings

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Georg Brandl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/ports.html says: The PyRange_New() function was removed. It was never documented, never used in the core code, and had dangerously lax error checking. I use

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Georg Brandl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, PyRange_New *was* undocumented, Yes, that was clear. However, it would perhaps be helpful to add a note to the whatsnew document for users like yourself. Andrew, does that make sense? I am worried about using an alternative that is *again* not

Re: [Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-22 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure I can get this to work with some digging, but I am posting here to highlight a communication problem. I feel if a function is removed the alternative should be made obvious in the associated documentation; in particular if there is

[Python-Dev] PyRange_New() alternative?

2006-06-21 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/ports.html says: The PyRange_New() function was removed. It was never documented, never used in the core code, and had dangerously lax error checking. I use this function (don't remember how I found it; this was years ago), therefore my code doesn't compile

[Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-21 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/other-lang.html says: One error that Python programmers sometimes make is forgetting to include an __init__.py module in a package directory. Debugging this mistake can be confusing, and usually requires running Python with the -v switch to log all the

Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

2006-06-21 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/06, Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting tons of ImportWarning: Not importing directory. See below for examples. It is impractical for me to reorganize our directory structure. I'd be busy for a week or more

[Python-Dev] PY_SSIZE_T_MIN?

2006-04-05 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Congratulations to the Python 2.5a1 release! I started adjusting Boost.Python to work with this new release and it is going very well. I noticed this #define in pyport.h: #define PY_SSIZE_T_MAX ((Py_ssize_t)(((size_t)-1)1)) However, I couldn't find a corresponding PY_SSIZE_T_MIN which would come

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Alexander Kozlovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think about this? I (who writes Python code for a living) love it! See also: http://cci.lbl.gov/~rwgk/python/adopt_init_args_2005_07_02.html ***Please*** make Python more selfish. Note that this is also an obvious avenue for

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: ***Please*** make Python more selfish. Note that this is also an obvious avenue for significant performance increases. If self is implicit you don't have to do the dictionary lookup for self all the time

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/6/06, Armin Rigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:56:01AM +0300, Alexander Kozlovsky wrote: There are three different peculiarity in Python 2.x in respect of 'self' method argument: Yuk! This has been discussed

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Thomas Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main difference isn't the lookup of 'self', it's the attribute retrieval of 'x' from 'self'. I see. Thanks! If you put 'self' into a special category (with corresponding C code), couldn't you use the same indexing tricks as for local variables

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-08 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try the code below to see the performance impact. oh, please. do you seriously think that if you don't have to type self yourself, Python will suddenly be able to turn all instance variables into local function variables without any

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-29 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity: can you please try invoking this enum_print to stdout with your VS2005-built boost module? I see it uses fprintf, so I would expect it to crash. After beating on this for half an hour I am coming to the conclusion that there is no

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-28 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.P.S. You do know that this configuration (extension compiled with VS2005, Python compiled wit VS.NET2003) is not supported, right? Thanks to Adal's help I got all our C++ extensions (about 50) to work with VC8. I am using Python 2.4.2 compiled

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-28 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, yes: the areas are - memory management - stdio - locales for the C library; for the C++, I'm not so sure, but I think one of the areas is - static members of class templates, in particular in STL containers Thanks for the insight! For

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-27 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: I am using a Visual Studio 2005 Professional installation. I also ran vcredist_x86.exe. Moving msvc[mpr]80.dll to a directory on PATH didn't help. However, standalone executables work OK without any gymnastics

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-27 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Adal Chiriliuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python uses LoadLibraryEx with the LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH flag which means that DLLs used by the extension will be searched IN THE EXTENSION FOLDER and not on PATH. Try putting msvcp80.dll right next to your extension DLL. I tried that

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-27 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- Adal Chiriliuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you need to run mt.exe to embedd the manifest: mt.exe /outputresource:cctbx_math_ext.pyd;#2 /manifest cctbx_math_ext.pyd.manifest That is the magic trick! After applying the mt command to all our extensions most of our unit tests work even with

[Python-Dev] Python + Visual C++ 8.0?

2005-12-26 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
We have a bunch of C++ extensions (Boost.Python) that work fine under Windows when compiled with Visual C++ 7.1. With a few minor tweaks all extensions also compile with Visual C++ 8.0, but trying to import any of the extensions fails with this message (shown in a pop-up box): This application

Re: [Python-Dev] [C++-sig] GCC version compatibility

2005-07-10 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- David Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christoph Ludwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not claim the 2 TUs test will cover all possible scenarios. I am not even sure this decision should be left to an automated test. Because if the test breaks for some reason then the user is left

[Python-Dev] __autoinit__

2005-07-09 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
For those who didn't like my proposal a week ago, please have another look: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-July/289446.html Please reply only to python-list. Cheers, Ralf ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] [C++-sig] GCC version compatibility

2005-07-09 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
--- David Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, all the tests are passing that way. (On ELF based Linux/x86, at least.) That leaves me wondering * when is --with-cxx really necessary? I think it's plausible that if you set sys.dlopenflags to share symbols it *might* end up being

Re: [Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-02 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Aahz wrote: This is off-topic for python-dev. Please take it to comp.lang.python. (It's not immediately obvious that this is off-topic, I know, but please take my word for it.) Done: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-July/288292.html Sorry for creating so much noise

[Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Hi, I often find myself writing: class grouping: def __init__(self, x, y, z): self.x = x self.y = y self.z = z I hate it, and every time I show this to a Python newcomer I get that skeptic look. How about this for a change? class grouping: def

Re: [Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
I am happy to see that others agree we need something better than self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z. Phillip J. Eby wrote: class grouping: def __init__(self, x, y, z): initialize(self, locals()) Been there (older code):

Re: [Python-Dev] reducing self.x=x; self.y=y; self.z=z boilerplate code

2005-07-01 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Jp Calderone wrote: If you use vars(self).update(locals()), it even looks halfway pleasant ;) I'm not sure what python-dev's current opinion of vars(obj) is though (I'm hoping someone'll tell me). http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html#l2h-76 is pretty clear: vars([object])