Re: [Python-Dev] constant/enum type in stdlib

2010-11-24 Thread average
Is immutability a general need that should have general solution? By generalizing the idea to lists/tuples, set/frozenset, dicts, and strings (for example), it seems one could simplify the container classes, eliminate code complexity, and perhaps improve resource utilization. mark

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread average
  ...After a sufficient period of waiting, say a day or two with no response:        Ok, I'll wait a bit longer. I don't think that's a good idea. My bad, I really only meant a sufficient delay to allow the possibility of an interested party replying. I actually figured about a day.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-21 Thread average
1. I suggested one improvement to the canned response in my previous post: expand 'using' to 'using or understanding'.   I changed wording to if you're having problems learning, understanding or using Python I think it's critical to disambiguate between questions about using and programming

Re: [Python-Dev] Python signal processing question

2010-07-19 Thread average
  We'are sorry but we cannot help you. This mailing list is to work on developing Python (fixing bugs and adding new features to Python itself); if you're having problems using Python, please find another forum. Probably python-list (comp.lang.python) news group/mailing list is the best place.

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread average
On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first beta release of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to be the last major version in the 2.x series.  Though more major releases have not been absolutely ruled out, it's likely that the 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] nonlocals() function?

2010-04-05 Thread average
globals() and locals() return dicts mapping names to objects. Damn, I totally pulled a *?!* on that one. I should have pulled out my Python reference. I was thinking of dir() and thought that these functions were similar. Apologies for that. However, I still do believe that as a general

[Python-Dev] nonlocals() function?

2010-04-04 Thread average
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Bonner wrote: What do we think of adding a built-in nonlocals() function that would be similar to globals() and locals()?  Like those functions, it would return a dictionary of variable names and their values. Since

Re: [Python-Dev] Retrieve an arbitrary element from a set without removing it

2009-10-28 Thread average
[Guido wrote:] - If sets were to grow an API to non-destructively access the object stored in the set for a particular key, then dicts should have such a method too. - I still wish we could go back in time and unify sets and dicts, if only to find out how that experiment would turn out. +5.

[Python-Dev] Retrieve an arbitrary element from a set without removing it

2009-10-28 Thread average
[I wrote:]  If Python3 were to have this feature it would make it worth migrating to Sorry that may have sounded more harsh than I expected.  If I had more resources, I'd propose (and volunteer) a python3000 branch where any and all who were disappointed at the *lack* of compatability changes

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration: progress report (PEP 385)

2009-07-05 Thread average
Is it really that confusing? I have never heard of anyone asking what is py3k? Do you read python-list? It has been asked. Also, some people seem to think that py3k is different from python 3. Personally, I vote for keeping the 3k for 3000 (or is it 3072?). I believe that py3k represents a

[Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-20 Thread average
Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. The challenge is finding project

Re: [Python-Dev] compiler optimizations: collecting ideas

2008-11-14 Thread average
Daniel Furrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As part of an advanced compiler design course at our university (ETH Zurich), we have to implement an optimization (or various thereof). I've spoken with a couple of people who are, like me, very fascinated by Python. So I would just like to ask if

Re: [Python-Dev] Things to Know About Super

2008-09-01 Thread average
It seems that the frustration with super revolves around how Python currently conflates (as well as many users) two very different types of inheritance, both is-a and has-a (or compositional) inheritance. Unfortunately, Python assists this confusion because the language doesn't provide a distinct