Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Boris Borcic wrote: I believe that in this case native linguistic intuition made the decision... The reason has nothing to do with language. Guido didn't want sum() to become an attractive nuisance by *appearing* to be an obvious way of joining a list of strings, while actually being a very

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Gareth McCaughan
(Attention conservation notice: the following is concerned almost entirely with exegesis of an old python-dev thread. Those interested in improving Python and not in history and exegesis should probably ignore it.) On Tuesday 2006-07-11 13:43, Boris Borcic wrote: I believe that in this case

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
Gareth McCaughan wrote: (Attention conservation notice: the following is concerned almost entirely with exegesis of an old python-dev thread. Those interested in improving Python and not in history and exegesis should probably ignore it.) On Tuesday 2006-07-11 13:43, Boris Borcic wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
I wish to apologize for mistakenly pushing the send button on an untouched copy of Gereth McGaughan's reply, in the case my early cancel at gmane did not stop the propagation. I'll profit just to add (bringing this to a conclusion) Gareth McCaughan wrote: (...was not Guido's first

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
Fredrik Lundh wrote: in what language the word sum an appropriate synonym for concatenate ? any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. - BB ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Boris Borcic wrote: in what language [is] the word sum an appropriate synonym for concatenate ? any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. and what human language would that be ? /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Boris Borcic wrote: in what language [is] the word sum an appropriate synonym for concatenate ? any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. and what human language would that be ? Let's admit the answer is 'none' (and I apologize for accusing only

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
Please end this thread. Now. Really. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Nick Coghlan
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Boris Borcic wrote: in what language [is] the word sum an appropriate synonym for concatenate ? any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. and what human language would that be ? Python :) Sure-computers-can-speak-it-but-so-can-humans'ly yours, Nick. --

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Ewing
Boris Borcic wrote: sum() *is* exactly an attractive nuisance by *appearing* to be an obvious way of chaining strings in a list (without actually being one). But at least it fails immediately, prompting you to look in another direction. I admit that there is a step of arguable

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Ewing
Gareth McCaughan wrote: (I agree that Greg's interpretation is also not well supported by that thread; I was perhaps a bit excessive in claiming that language had nothing to do with it. What I meant was that it wasn't the *only* consideration. If there hadn't been any disadvantages, quite

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Ewing
Boris Borcic wrote: Fredrik Lundh wrote: in what language the word sum an appropriate synonym for concatenate ? any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. Not the same thing. a + b is usually pronounced a plus b. Now, plus has a somewhat wider meaning than sum. It sounds quite in

[Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-07 Thread Boris Borcic
Guido van Rossum wrote: On 7/5/06, Michael Chermside [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido writes: [discussion of how to fix the can't-bind-outer-scope-vars wart] ... Are there any other native speakers who side with Michael? A bit OT, but why should native speakers (eg of English) have

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-07 Thread Greg Ewing
Boris Borcic wrote: I believe that in this case native linguistic intuition made the decision... The reason has nothing to do with language. Guido didn't want sum() to become an attractive nuisance by *appearing* to be an obvious way of joining a list of strings, while actually being a very