Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-06-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 30 May 2017 at 22:08, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2017 21:49:19 +1000 > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Here's an alternate wording for the README that would focus on those >> considerations without explicitly asking folks not to use the theme: >> >> "Note that when adopting this theme, y

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-30 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 30 May 2017 21:49:19 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Here's an alternate wording for the README that would focus on those > considerations without explicitly asking folks not to use the theme: > > "Note that when adopting this theme, you're also borrowing an element > of the trust and cred

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-30 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 30.05.2017 13:49, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Here's an alternate wording for the README that would focus on those > considerations without explicitly asking folks not to use the theme: > > "Note that when adopting this theme, you're also borrowing an element > of the trust and credibility establishe

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-30 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 29 May 2017 at 01:15, David Mertz wrote: > I agree with MAL and have also been on the Trademarks Committee for 8-9 > years. Protecting an actual Mark like the logo is fine, as painful as it is > to someone's say no to an attractive derived logo. But trying to protect a > look-and-feel is way to

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-29 Thread David Mertz
This is a side issue, do I don't want to go too​ long with it. But *NO* we can't always give permission. The problem isn't how permissive PSF might like to be in the abstract, but trademark law itself. Trademark is "enforce it or lose it" ... Even passively allowing dilutive derivatives would cause

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-29 Thread Greg Ewing
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: In my role as PSF TM committee member, it's often painful to have to tell community members that they cannot use e.g. really nice looking variants of the Python logo for their projects. Let's not add more pain. But it's always within the PSF's power to give that community m

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-28 Thread David Mertz
I agree with MAL and have also been on the Trademarks Committee for 8-9 years. Protecting an actual Mark like the logo is fine, as painful as it is to someone's say no to an attractive derived logo. But trying to protect a look-and-feel is way too far down the path of evil (it's what some proprieta

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-28 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
I'm -1 on going down the suggested route of Apple et al. for an open source language. We don't need more trademarks to "protect" ourselves against fellow open source projects. I see this whole trademark business that OSS projects are getting into in recent years in a more and more critical light.

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-28 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sat, 27 May 2017 14:26:54 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Thoughts? Should we stick with pypa-theme as the name? Switch to > psf-docs-theme? Publish both, with pypa-theme adding PyPA specific > elements to a more general psf-docs-theme? > [...] > > Future requests to use the theme (beyond CPyt

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-27 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 28 May 2017 at 06:54, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Are you also going to stop others from using the psf theme? I think it would definitely make sense to discourage the use of this particular theme for projects that aren't relatively directly affiliated with the PSF - there are plenty of other pip

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-27 Thread Guido van Rossum
Are you also going to stop others from using the psf theme? On May 27, 2017 11:35, "Brett Cannon" wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017 at 21:28 Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> Over on https://github.com/pypa/python-packaging-user-guide/ >> pull/305#issuecomment-304169735 >> we're looking t

Re: [Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-27 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, 26 May 2017 at 21:28 Nick Coghlan wrote: > Hi folks, > > Over on > https://github.com/pypa/python-packaging-user-guide/pull/305#issuecomment-304169735 > we're looking to update the theming of packaging.python.org to match > that of the language documentation at docs.python.org. > > Doing

[Python-Dev] Aligning the packaging.python.org theme with the rest of the docs

2017-05-26 Thread Nick Coghlan
Hi folks, Over on https://github.com/pypa/python-packaging-user-guide/pull/305#issuecomment-304169735 we're looking to update the theming of packaging.python.org to match that of the language documentation at docs.python.org. Doing that would also entail updating the documentation of the individ