Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-12-05 Thread Talin
Talin wrote: What I am doing right now is creating a new extension project using setuputils, and keeping notes on what I do. So for example, I start by creating the directory structure: mkdir myproject cd myproject mkdir src mkdir test I'd forgotten about this until I

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Talin schrieb: To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. I readily agree that the documentation can be improved, and applaud

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Talin
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Talin schrieb: To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. I readily agree that the documentation

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Talin schrieb: As far as rewriting it goes - I can only rewrite things that I understand. So if you want this to change, you obviously need to understand the entire distutils. It's possible to do that; some people have done it (the understanding part) - just go ahead and start reading source

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-27 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/27/06, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talin schrieb: As far as rewriting it goes - I can only rewrite things that I understand. So if you want this to change, you obviously need to understand the entire distutils. It's possible to do that; some people have done it (the

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-27 Thread Talin
Mike Orr wrote: On 11/27/06, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talin schrieb: As far as rewriting it goes - I can only rewrite things that I understand. So if you want this to change, you obviously need to understand the entire distutils. It's possible to do that; some people have done

[Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Talin
I've been looking once again over the docs for distutils and setuptools, and thinking to myself this seems a lot more complicated than it ought to be. Before I get into detail, however, I want to explain carefully the scope of my critique - in particular, why I am talking about setuptools on

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Talin wrote: But it isn't just the docs that are at fault here - otherwise, I'd be posting this on a different mailing list. It seems like the whole architecture is 'diff'-based, a series of patches on top of patches, which are in need of some serious refactoring. so to summarize, you

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Talin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Talin wrote: But it isn't just the docs that are at fault here - otherwise, I'd be posting this on a different mailing list. It seems like the whole architecture is 'diff'-based, a series of patches on top of patches, which are in need of some serious refactoring.

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/26/06, Talin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking once again over the docs for distutils and setuptools, and thinking to myself this seems a lot more complicated than it ought to be. Before I get into detail, however, I want to explain carefully the scope of my critique - in

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:21 PM 11/26/2006 -0800, Mike Orr wrote: A comprehensive third-party manual that integrates the documentation would be a good place to start. Even the outline of such a manual would be a good. That would give a common baseline of understanding for package users, package developers, and core

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/26/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed, however, that a signficant number of help requests for setuptools can be answered by internal links to one of its manuals -- and when a topic comes up that isn't in the manual, I usually add it. Hmm, I may have a couple

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Talin
Mike Orr wrote: On 11/26/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed, however, that a signficant number of help requests for setuptools can be answered by internal links to one of its manuals -- and when a topic comes up that isn't in the manual, I usually add it. Hmm, I may