Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 22:43, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: What redirect.txt did you edit specifically? It was beta.python.org/build/redirects.txt http://beta.python.org/build/redirects.txt, but I went ahead and reverted the change since your solution works. Ah. That file isn't used, AFAICT, so I now deleted it. Are you sure? I added entries last week to that file and they worked when the website updated. If there are any other redirects that you want to see active, please let me know. Personally I cared about all of the redirects that were in that file pertaining to /dev. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
Hello, I think it was a slight mistake to remove the link to the issue tracker from the sidebar in the core development section. Dave Beazley just complained about it (http://twitter.com/dabeaz/status/40397577916661760) and I think it will probably confuse other people too. Could we add it back ? cheers Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
+1, I often use that link as well. 2011/2/23 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net: Hello, I think it was a slight mistake to remove the link to the issue tracker from the sidebar in the core development section. Dave Beazley just complained about it (http://twitter.com/dabeaz/status/40397577916661760) and I think it will probably confuse other people too. Could we add it back ? cheers Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/g.rodola%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
I won't add the link back, but I will try to change the global link on the website to point to the devguide. python.org/dev/ at this point exists purely to not break pre-existing links. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:58, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, I think it was a slight mistake to remove the link to the issue tracker from the sidebar in the core development section. Dave Beazley just complained about it (http://twitter.com/dabeaz/status/40397577916661760) and I think it will probably confuse other people too. Could we add it back ? cheers Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/brett%40python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:54 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I won't add the link back, but I will try to change the global link on the website to point to the devguide. python.org/dev/ at this point exists purely to not break pre-existing links. There are items there that are out of scope for the dev guide (e.g. Python.org Maintenance and Administration). Also, I do believe that being able to report a bug immediately is very important. Reporting a bug doesn't mean you want to contribute code; it just means you've found an issue and would like the community to know (and possibly fix it). Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:52, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:54 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I won't add the link back, but I will try to change the global link on the website to point to the devguide. python.org/dev/ at this point exists purely to not break pre-existing links. There are items there that are out of scope for the dev guide (e.g. Python.org Maintenance and Administration). Also, I do believe that being able to report a bug immediately is very important. Reporting a bug doesn't mean you want to contribute code; it just means you've found an issue and would like the community to know (and possibly fix it). Those are all linked from the devguide in the Resources section. IOW that sidebar is in the index doc already. Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/brett%40python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
Am 23.02.2011 19:30, schrieb Brett Cannon: I won't add the link back Why not? It's a useful link apparently. The Developer's Guide link does not hint that it will be the only way to find the bug tracker. It's like adding the download page at the end of the tutorial - you can get Python only if you read through this. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:21:58 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:52, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:54 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I won't add the link back, but I will try to change the global link on the website to point to the devguide. python.org/dev/ at this point exists purely to not break pre-existing links. There are items there that are out of scope for the dev guide (e.g. Python.org Maintenance and Administration). Also, I do believe that being able to report a bug immediately is very important. Reporting a bug doesn't mean you want to contribute code; it just means you've found an issue and would like the community to know (and possibly fix it). Those are all linked from the devguide in the Resources section. IOW that sidebar is in the index doc already. Yes, but I think it would be better if that link was more proeminent, either on python.org, or in the devguide. Currently it has become much less visible (you have to scroll down a page or two and hunt it in that section named resources, assuming you know it is there at all). Of course, the Web site in general is not that good at presenting useful information first ;) Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:53, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:21:58 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:52, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:54 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I won't add the link back, but I will try to change the global link on the website to point to the devguide. python.org/dev/ at this point exists purely to not break pre-existing links. There are items there that are out of scope for the dev guide (e.g. Python.org Maintenance and Administration). Also, I do believe that being able to report a bug immediately is very important. Reporting a bug doesn't mean you want to contribute code; it just means you've found an issue and would like the community to know (and possibly fix it). Those are all linked from the devguide in the Resources section. IOW that sidebar is in the index doc already. Yes, but I think it would be better if that link was more proeminent, either on python.org, or in the devguide. Currently it has become much less visible (you have to scroll down a page or two and hunt it in that section named resources, assuming you know it is there at all). The Resources section can move up the page, or at least the issue tracker link. We are not talking about a page that is hard to edit (unlike python.org). -Brett Of course, the Web site in general is not that good at presenting useful information first ;) Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/brett%40python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:52, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 23.02.2011 19:30, schrieb Brett Cannon: I won't add the link back Why not? It's a useful link apparently. The Developer's Guide link does not hint that it will be the only way to find the bug tracker. But python.org/dev/ is a dead page. I was trying to avoid adding a redirect for python.org/dev/ as I was afraid that it would lead to the website doing something silly like redirecting everything below that URL, but obviously this can continue since people seem to think that python.org/dev/ has anything useful on it (which it does not). -Brett It's like adding the download page at the end of the tutorial - you can get Python only if you read through this. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
I just added a Quick Links section to the devguide at the very top which is short and to the point. I also committed to pydotorg for python.org/dev/ to redirect to docs.python.org/devguide/, so this whole discussion is dealt with IMO. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:06, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:53, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:21:58 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:52, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:54 -0800 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I won't add the link back, but I will try to change the global link on the website to point to the devguide. python.org/dev/ at this point exists purely to not break pre-existing links. There are items there that are out of scope for the dev guide (e.g. Python.org Maintenance and Administration). Also, I do believe that being able to report a bug immediately is very important. Reporting a bug doesn't mean you want to contribute code; it just means you've found an issue and would like the community to know (and possibly fix it). Those are all linked from the devguide in the Resources section. IOW that sidebar is in the index doc already. Yes, but I think it would be better if that link was more proeminent, either on python.org, or in the devguide. Currently it has become much less visible (you have to scroll down a page or two and hunt it in that section named resources, assuming you know it is there at all). The Resources section can move up the page, or at least the issue tracker link. We are not talking about a page that is hard to edit (unlike python.org). -Brett Of course, the Web site in general is not that good at presenting useful information first ;) Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/brett%40python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:52, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 23.02.2011 19:30, schrieb Brett Cannon: I won't add the link back Why not? It's a useful link apparently. The Developer's Guide link does not hint that it will be the only way to find the bug tracker. But python.org/dev/ is a dead page. I was trying to avoid adding a redirect for python.org/dev/ as I was afraid that it would lead to the website doing something silly like redirecting everything below that URL, but obviously this can continue since people seem to think that python.org/dev/ has anything useful on it (which it does not). It seems unfortunate that the Core Development link now points directly to the devguide, since it unexpectedly breaks the navigation UI. It seemed rather more useful and consistent to have Core Development show the page with quick links. James___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
But python.org/dev/ http://python.org/dev/ is a dead page. I was trying to avoid adding a redirect for python.org/dev/ http://python.org/dev/ as I was afraid that it would lead to the website doing something silly like redirecting everything below that URL, but obviously this can continue since people seem to think that python.org/dev/ http://python.org/dev/ has anything useful on it (which it does not). Well, *I* ran into the problem because I hadn't reloaded the main page, and Core Development would still point to /dev. Now that I see that Core Development points to /devguide, I change my request to please add the tracker link to the side menu of /devguide (preferably along with a source repository link, and a linked title More going to #resources). As for redirects: it's certainly possible to redirect ^/dev$ to /devguide, leaving /dev..* alone. I can set this up if you want me to. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:38, James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:52, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.dewrote: Am 23.02.2011 19:30, schrieb Brett Cannon: I won't add the link back Why not? It's a useful link apparently. The Developer's Guide link does not hint that it will be the only way to find the bug tracker. But python.org/dev/ is a dead page. I was trying to avoid adding a redirect for python.org/dev/ as I was afraid that it would lead to the website doing something silly like redirecting everything below that URL, but obviously this can continue since people seem to think that python.org/dev/ has anything useful on it (which it does not). It seems unfortunate that the Core Development link now points directly to the devguide, since it unexpectedly breaks the navigation UI. It seemed rather more useful and consistent to have Core Development show the page with quick links. Honestly, working on pydotorg is too bloody painful to even conceive of doing this purely to keep a single link on www.python.org. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:51, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: But python.org/dev/ http://python.org/dev/ is a dead page. I was trying to avoid adding a redirect for python.org/dev/ http://python.org/dev/ as I was afraid that it would lead to the website doing something silly like redirecting everything below that URL, but obviously this can continue since people seem to think that python.org/dev/ http://python.org/dev/ has anything useful on it (which it does not). Well, *I* ran into the problem because I hadn't reloaded the main page, and Core Development would still point to /dev. Now that I see that Core Development points to /devguide, I change my request to please add the tracker link to the side menu of /devguide (preferably along with a source repository link, and a linked title More going to #resources). I'll see what I can do. I added a Quick Links section at the very top of the main page so that can at least hold you over. As for redirects: it's certainly possible to redirect ^/dev$ to /devguide, leaving /dev..* alone. I can set this up if you want me to. Please. Or double-check what I put into pydotorg's redirect.txt will work properly. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:38, James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:52, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 23.02.2011 19:30, schrieb Brett Cannon: I won't add the link back Why not? It's a useful link apparently. The Developer's Guide link does not hint that it will be the only way to find the bug tracker. But python.org/dev/ is a dead page. I was trying to avoid adding a redirect for python.org/dev/ as I was afraid that it would lead to the website doing something silly like redirecting everything below that URL, but obviously this can continue since people seem to think that python.org/dev/ has anything useful on it (which it does not). It seems unfortunate that the Core Development link now points directly to the devguide, since it unexpectedly breaks the navigation UI. It seemed rather more useful and consistent to have Core Development show the page with quick links. Honestly, working on pydotorg is too bloody painful to even conceive of doing this purely to keep a single link onwww.python.org. Well, presumably at least 5 links: Devguide, PEP index, buildbot, issue tracker, link to source code browser. But sure, I'm just a user, I have no idea how hard it is to edit a page on pydotorg (and no, I don't really want to know). But I seriously cannot imagine it's so hard that you can't leave a page with a few links there, that had already been written! Note how clicking everything else in the left navbar makes useful links appear below the item, and the rest of the page keep the same theme/general layout. Core Development is now the unexpected exception to that UI consistency, and is less useful because of it. James___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
As for redirects: it's certainly possible to redirect ^/dev$ to /devguide, leaving /dev..* alone. I can set this up if you want me to. Please. Or double-check what I put into pydotorg's redirect.txt will work properly. What redirect.txt did you edit specifically? I have now changed redirects.conf, and it seems to work fine. Please let me know if there are any problems. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 15:40, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: As for redirects: it's certainly possible to redirect ^/dev$ to /devguide, leaving /dev..* alone. I can set this up if you want me to. Please. Or double-check what I put into pydotorg's redirect.txt will work properly. What redirect.txt did you edit specifically? It was beta.python.org/build/redirects.txt, but I went ahead and reverted the change since your solution works. I have now changed redirects.conf, and it seems to work fine. Please let me know if there are any problems. Works for me. Thanks, Martin! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Link to issue tracker
What redirect.txt did you edit specifically? It was beta.python.org/build/redirects.txt http://beta.python.org/build/redirects.txt, but I went ahead and reverted the change since your solution works. Ah. That file isn't used, AFAICT, so I now deleted it. If there are any other redirects that you want to see active, please let me know. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
