Re: [Python-Dev] Mail archive line wrapping (Was: Import and unicode: part two)
On 11:59 AM, James Y Knight wrote:
Well, yes, that's a pretty annoying bug in mailman, isn't it? If only anyone
around here was involved in mailman and could fix it! :) [I've attempted to
cc this to mailman-users with this message, but since I'm not subscribed I
dunno if it'll make it or not.]
I have this in my user CSS override file to fix the issue for myself globally
on all such archives out in the world:
/* Mailing list archives */
htmlbodypre { white-space: pre-wrap !important; }
But really, pipermail should just output a suitable style itself, e.g.: pre
style=hite-space: pre-wrap or a stylepre { white-space: pre-wrap;
}/style in the header.
This is mailman bug 266467
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266467. It was fixed in
Mailman 2.1.13.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Mail archive line wrapping (Was: Import and unicode: part two)
On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:25:17 -0500
James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote:
On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
(by the way, it would be nice if your text/mail editor wrapped lines at
80 characters or something)
You could complain to Apple, but it seems unlikely that they'd change it.
They broke it intentionally in OSX 10.6.2 for better compatibility with MS
Outlook.
(for the technically inclined: It still wraps lines at 80 characters in the
raw message, but it uses quoted-printable encoding to escape the
line-breaks, so mail readers which decode quoted-printable but can't flow
text are now S.O.L. Apple used to use the nice format=flowed standard
instead.)
I think most mail readers are able to word-wrap raw text correctly
(even though it still makes your messages look bad amongst a thread of
nicely-formatted 80-column messages).
The real annoyance is when reading Web archives of mailing-lists, e.g.
http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2011-January/023346.html
Well, yes, that's a pretty annoying bug in mailman, isn't it? If only anyone
around here was involved in mailman and could fix it! :) [I've attempted to cc
this to mailman-users with this message, but since I'm not subscribed I dunno
if it'll make it or not.]
I have this in my user CSS override file to fix the issue for myself globally
on all such archives out in the world:
/* Mailing list archives */
htmlbodypre { white-space: pre-wrap !important; }
But really, pipermail should just output a suitable style itself, e.g.: pre
style=white-space: pre-wrap or a stylepre { white-space: pre-wrap;
}/style in the header.
That's supported on all browsers since FF3.0, IE8, Safari 3, Opera 8. There are
various nonstandard CSS selectors for reaching older browsers (IE5.5+, Firefox
pre-1.0+, Opera 4+)...But by the time this change gets made in mailman, and
released, and gets into the distros that the various list hosts around the web
use, and those hosts get upgraded, I doubt anyone will actually even be able to
run those old browsers anymore.
James
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Re: [Python-Dev] Mail archive line wrapping (Was: Import and unicode: part two)
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:23:31 -0500
James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote:
I think most mail readers are able to word-wrap raw text correctly
(even though it still makes your messages look bad amongst a thread of
nicely-formatted 80-column messages).
The real annoyance is when reading Web archives of mailing-lists, e.g.
http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2011-January/023346.html
Well, yes, that's a pretty annoying bug in mailman, isn't it? If only anyone
around here was involved in mailman and could fix it! :) [I've attempted to
cc this to mailman-users with this message, but since I'm not subscribed I
dunno if it'll make it or not.]
Why is this a bug in mailman? Mailman archives messages as they are
sent (well, perhaps it mangles e-mail addresses, perhaps). If someone
draws a nice ASCII-art diagram which requires 90 columns instead of 80,
you wouldn't want the archive to break its rendering.
So, it's really the mail client (or its user :-)) which should handle
word-wrapping, not some downstream tool which has no idea of the
original intent.
I have this in my user CSS override file to fix the issue for myself globally
on all such archives out in the world:
/* Mailing list archives */
htmlbodypre { white-space: pre-wrap !important; }
That doesn't wrap to 80 characters, does it? Only whatever the
current window/container width is, which isn't necessarily the right
thing (if that makes lines 160 characters long, it's still quite
uncomfortable to read).
Regards
Antoine.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Mail archive line wrapping (Was: Import and unicode: part two)
On Jan 21, 2011, at 08:23 AM, James Y Knight wrote: Well, yes, that's a pretty annoying bug in mailman, isn't it? If only anyone around here was involved in mailman and could fix it! :) [I've attempted to cc this to mailman-users with this message, but since I'm not subscribed I dunno if it'll make it or not.] Technically, Pipermail, but jeebus how I hate hacking on that code. :) Although it's been futile for the last decade, maybe this time will work: volunteers wanted! -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
