Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Holden
Nick Coghlan wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: >> In which case doesn't it make more sense to use the existing mechanism >> of PEP 356 (Release Schedule)? If something isn't listed in there >> (even without dates) then there are no current plans to release it, >> and that tells the reader everything

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Coghlan
Steve Holden wrote: > In which case doesn't it make more sense to use the existing mechanism > of PEP 356 (Release Schedule)? If something isn't listed in there (even > without dates) then there are no current plans to release it, and that > tells the reader everything they need to know. > > At

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Holden
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Terry Reedy writes: > > > "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have > > | that there is a "policy" of "support" for both the current release > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Terry Reedy
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | FWIW, after Martin's explanation, and considering the annoyance of | keeping updates sync'ed (can PEPs be amended after acceptance, or only | superseded by a new PEP, like IETF RFCs?), Informational PEPs often ge

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have > | that there is a "policy" of "support" for both the current release > | (2.5) and the (still very widely used)

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Terry Reedy
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have | that there is a "policy" of "support" for both the current release | (2.5) and the (still very widely used) previous release (2.4) is a | real

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> > I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases > > are produced, and what Python releases, and what kinds of changes > > they may contain. However, such a policy should be addressed > > primarily to contributors, as a guidance, not to users, as > > a promise. So I have pr

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases > are produced, and what Python releases, and what kinds of changes > they may contain. However, such a policy should be addressed > primarily to contributors, as a guidance, not to users, as > a prom

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Python can dispose of a raft of bugs present only in the older > versions with WONTFIX at release of a new stable version (after > double-checking that they don't exist in the stable version). I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases are produced, and what Python releases

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: > This strikes me as an improvement, but 'maintain' is close to > 'support' and seems to make a promise that might also have > unintended legal consequences. But that is what your legal consel > is for. Unilateral statements on a web page do not constitute a contract. Impl

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Why do you need such a statement? > > I think Fedora might want it, per recent discussions on fedora-devel-list. In that case, I would rather have somebody official of the Fedora list state the request explicitly, than basing it on hearsay. > "The Python Software Foundation maintains the curr

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Saturday 12 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Since there is (generally?) an attempt to make one last bug fix > release of the previous version after the next major version is > released, should that be mentioned? To make it concrete, I > believe shortly after 2.5.0 was released the final bu

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > However, I would prefer to not use the verb "support" at all. We (the > PSF) don't provide any technical support for *any* version ever > released: '''PSF is making Python available to Licensee on an "AS IS" > basis. PSF MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES [...]

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Terry Reedy
"Tony Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:58 AM +0200 5/12/07, Martin v. Löwis wrote: |>However, I would prefer to not use the verb "support" at all. agreed |"The Python Software Foundation maintains the current stable major |release of Python. By "mainta

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread skip
Tony> "The Python Software Foundation maintains the current stable major Tony> release of Python. By "maintains" we mean that the PSF will Tony> produce bug fix releases of that version, currently Python 2.5. Tony> We have released patches for earlier versions as necessary, such

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Tony Nelson
At 12:58 AM +0200 5/12/07, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> "The Python Software Foundation officially supports the current >> stable major release of Python. By "supports" we mean that the PSF >> will produce bug fix releases of this version, currently Python 2.5. >> We may release patches for earlier v

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> "The Python Software Foundation officially supports the current > stable major release of Python. By "supports" we mean that the PSF > will produce bug fix releases of this version, currently Python 2.5. > We may release patches for earlier versions if necessary, such as to > fix securi

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 10, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> "The Python Software Foundation officially supports the current >> stable major release and one prior major release. Currently, Python >> 2.5 and 2.4 are officially supported. > > If you take "of

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 10, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > This strikes me as a bit over-officious (the 'officially' adds > nothing to > me except a bit of stuffiness). > > Worse, it seems wrong and hence, to me, misleading. The current de > facto > poli

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> "The Python Software Foundation officially supports the current > stable major release and one prior major release. Currently, Python > 2.5 and 2.4 are officially supported. If you take "officially supported" to mean "there will be further bugfix releases", then no: 2.4 is not anymore officia

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-10 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Thursday 10 May 2007, Barry Warsaw wrote: > This came up in a different context. I originally emailed this to > the python.org admins, but Aahz rightly points out that we should > first agree here that this actually /is/ our official stance. +1 -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. _

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-10 Thread Terry Reedy
"Barry Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | This came up in a different context. I originally emailed this to | the python.org admins, but Aahz rightly points out that we should | first agree here that this actu

[Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This came up in a different context. I originally emailed this to the python.org admins, but Aahz rightly points out that we should first agree here that this actually /is/ our official stance. - -snip- We have an "official unofficial" p