Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-20 Thread Jan Claeys
Op woensdag 16-01-2008 om 02:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christian Heimes: Bill Janssen wrote: Good point, but I prefer ~/Library/Python to either of these. ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. I haven't seen it on other Unix systems. There is (at least) one linux distro using it, but it's

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 06:46:31PM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: Op woensdag 16-01-2008 om 02:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christian Heimes: Bill Janssen wrote: Good point, but I prefer ~/Library/Python to either of these. ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. I haven't seen it on other Unix

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-20 Thread Jan Claeys
Op zondag 20-01-2008 om 20:46 uur [tijdzone +0300], schreef Oleg Broytmann: On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 06:46:31PM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: Op woensdag 16-01-2008 om 02:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christian Heimes: ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. I haven't seen it on other Unix systems.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 07:34:02PM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: Op zondag 20-01-2008 om 20:46 uur [tijdzone +0300], schreef Oleg Broytmann: On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 06:46:31PM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: Op woensdag 16-01-2008 om 02:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christian Heimes:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-16 Thread skip
~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. Bill Sure, but it's clearly where this should be on an OS X system, by Bill default. I think only for stuff that is a Mac-ish GUI app type of thing and/or that plays with Mac's distinct APIs (Carbon, Cocoa, whatever). Would you install, for

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-16 Thread Bill Janssen
~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. Bill Sure, but it's clearly where this should be on an OS X system, by Bill default. I think only for stuff that is a Mac-ish GUI app type of thing and/or that plays with Mac's distinct APIs (Carbon, Cocoa, whatever). Would you install, for

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bill Janssen writes: ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. Bill Sure, but it's clearly where this should be on an OS X system, by Bill default. [etc.] [tocatta and fugue ad lib] Doesn't Apple publish standards for this? They do for everything else, it seems.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-16 Thread Titus Brown
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 06:12:52AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: - Bill Janssen writes: - ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. - -Bill Sure, but it's clearly where this should be on an OS X system, by -Bill default. - -[etc.] - - [tocatta and fugue ad lib] - -

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Daniel Arbuckle
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:57:02 -0500, Kevin Jacobs wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 6:24 AM, Oleg Broytmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 11:41:47PM +, Jon Ribbens wrote: It makes sense, but personally I have never heard before of ~/.local. Whereas ~/bin is something I am

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 12:11:37PM -0800, Daniel Arbuckle wrote: I use ~/local, with a layout analogous to /usr, all the time. It's not a standard, but in my experience it is by far the best solution to installing things in the home directory. It doesn't matter much whether you call it local

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread skip
Daniel I use ~/local, with a layout analogous to /usr, ... Ditto. Makes things nice and clear. I install stuff without becoming root or polluting central directories. Daniel To those folks who favor creating ~/bin, ~/lib, ~/share, ad Daniel nauseum, I point out that non-hidden,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread skip
Oleg~/.python Oleg~/.python/bin Oleg~/.python/lib Oleg~/.python/lib/python2.5 The drawback of this approach is that it implies that Perl, Tcl, IPython, etc. belong in their own .whatever directory. The IT folks here at work do things that way (though not in home

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 02:34:02PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oleg~/.python Oleg~/.python/bin Oleg~/.python/lib Oleg~/.python/lib/python2.5 The drawback of this approach is that it implies that Perl, Tcl, IPython, etc. belong in their own .whatever

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Oleg Broytmann writes: ~/.python To me, this strongly suggests user configuration files, not a place where an app can store user-specific packages. True, there are apps that store their stuff in such places, like most GNOME apps. But they have no user-servicable parts (including config

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 06:31:42AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I think both for UI reasons (given above) and for API reasons (given by others) there should be a separate ~/SOMETHING/{bin,etc,lib,share} hierarchy for user-specific packaged contents. I like ~/.local a little better than

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread skip
OlegWhy not use GNU stow? Thanks for the reference. I'd never heard of it before. I suspect our IT folks may not have as well. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Bill Janssen
Oleg Broytmann writes: On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 06:31:42AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I think both for UI reasons (given above) and for API reasons (given by others) there should be a separate ~/SOMETHING/{bin,etc,lib,share} hierarchy for user-specific packaged contents. I like

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Christian Heimes
Bill Janssen wrote: Good point, but I prefer ~/Library/Python to either of these. ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. I haven't seen it on other Unix systems. I *could* add yet another environment variable PYTHONUSERHOME to set the base path but I prefer not. Christian

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Bill Janssen
Bill Janssen wrote: Good point, but I prefer ~/Library/Python to either of these. ~/Library/ is a Mac OS X thing. I haven't seen it on other Unix systems. I *could* add yet another environment variable PYTHONUSERHOME to set the base path but I prefer not. Christian Sure, but it's

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Christian Heimes
Bill Janssen wrote: Sure, but it's clearly where this should be on an OS X system, by default. And I'm sure there's a different best place on Windows (for instance, all of our accounts are network roaming accounts, and you don't want to put anything in ~). And there are probably various