Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-07 Thread Jeremy Hylton
On 10/6/05, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:34 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >How does this sound to the non-AST-branch developers who have to > >suffer the inevitable post-merge instability? I think it's now or > >never -- waiting longer isn't going to make this t

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Michael Hudson
Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How does this sound to the non-AST-branch developers who have to > suffer the inevitable post-merge instability? I think it's now or > never -- waiting longer isn't going to make this thing easier (not > with several more language changes approved: wi

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I happen to agree with Kurt that we should first merge the head into > the branch; then the AST team can work on making sure the entire > test suite passes; then they can merge back into the head. I can be available to do this again. It would involv

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Brett Cannon
On 10/6/05, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Kurt] > > > Unless I'm missing something, we would need to merge HEAD to the AST > > > branch once more to pick up the changes in MAIN since the last merge, > > > and then make sure everything in the AST branch is passing the test > > > sui

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 07:34 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: >How does this sound to the non-AST-branch developers who have to >suffer the inevitable post-merge instability? I think it's now or >never -- waiting longer isn't going to make this thing easier (not >with several more language changes approved:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
[Kurt] > > Unless I'm missing something, we would need to merge HEAD to the AST > > branch once more to pick up the changes in MAIN since the last merge, > > and then make sure everything in the AST branch is passing the test > > suite. Otherwise we risk having MAIN broken for awhile following a >

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Raymond Hettinger
> Unless I'm missing something, we would need to merge HEAD to the AST > branch once more to pick up the changes in MAIN since the last merge, > and then make sure everything in the AST branch is passing the test > suite. Otherwise we risk having MAIN broken for awhile following a > merge. IMO, m

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Jeremy Hylton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 10/6/05, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The only alternative to abandoning it that I see is to merge it back >> into main NOW, using the time that remains us until the 2.5 release to >> make it robust. That way, everybody can help out

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Jeremy Hylton
On 10/6/05, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/6/05, Neil Schemenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If we kill the branch for now, then anyone that wants to bring up the idea > > > again can write a PEP first > > > > I still have some

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 10/6/05, Neil Schemenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If we kill the branch for now, then anyone that wants to bring up the idea > > again can write a PEP first > > I still have some (very) small hope that it can be finished. If we > don't get it don

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we kill the branch for now, then anyone that wants to bring up the idea > again can write a PEP first I still have some (very) small hope that it can be finished. If we don't get it done soon then I fear that it will never happen. I had hoped that a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
[Brett] > To answer Nick's email here, I didn't respond to that initial email > because it seemed specifically directed at Guido and not me. Fair enough. I think I was actually misrembering the sequence of events leading up to 2.4a1, so the question was less appropriate for Guido than I thought

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-05 Thread Brett Cannon
To answer Nick's email here, I didn't respond to that initial email because it seemed specifically directed at Guido and not me. On 10/5/05, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/5/05, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway, the question is: What do we want to do with ast

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 10/5/05, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, the question is: What do we want to do with ast-branch? Finish > bringing it up to Python 2.4 equivalence, make it the HEAD, and only then > implement the approved PEP's (308, 342, 343) that affect the compiler? Or > implement the approv

[Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-05 Thread Nick Coghlan
Guido van Rossum wrote: > On 10/4/05, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I was planning on looking at your patch too, but I was waiting for an answer >>from Guido about the fate of the ast-branch for Python 2.5. Given that we have >>patches for PEP 342 and PEP 343 against the trunk, but a