Re: [Python-Dev] re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-18 Thread Stewart Midwinter
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:20:18 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One possible marketing strategy is to use the adjective fast in a broader sense. The Python slogan could be something like: Programming has never been any faster -- this changes the playing ground, from raw

Re: [Python-Dev] re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-17 Thread Carlos Ribeiro
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:13:41 -0700, Stewart Midwinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A number of people commented on the article in GCN, at http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/28026-1.html, and wondered if more could not be done to address the perception of speed. The point is made that although

RE: [Python-Dev] re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-17 Thread Raymond Hettinger
So how about a slogan like Code it Fast, with Python, or Python: Code Fast -- one which emphasizes the (easily defended) claim that development time is shorter with Python, but which at the same time manages to associate the word fast with Python. I always liked: Python, the language that

Re: [Python-Dev] re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-17 Thread Eirik Mikkelsen
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 09:20 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro wrote: BTW, I would move away from the fast enough when talking about performance. It's difficult to qualify what is enough in marketing terms; also, a selling/winning message can't be seen as taking excuses for any reason. On the other hand,

RE: [Python-Dev] re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-17 Thread Andrew MacIntyre
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Raymond Hettinger wrote: So how about a slogan like Code it Fast, with Python, or Python: Code Fast -- one which emphasizes the (easily defended) claim that development time is shorter with Python, but which at the same time manages to associate the word fast with

[Python-Dev] Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-11 Thread Fredrik Lundh
One thing that bugs me: the article says 3 or 4 times that Python is slow, each time with a refutation (but it's so flexible, but it's fast enough) but still, they sure seem to harp on the point. fwiw, IDG's Computer Sweden, sweden's leading IT-newspaper has a surprisingly big Python article

Re: [Python-Dev] Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-11 Thread Martijn Faassen
Fredrik Lundh wrote: [snip] fwiw, IDG's Computer Sweden, sweden's leading IT-newspaper has a surprisingly big Python article in their most recent issue: PYTHON FEELS WELL Better performance biggest news in 2.4 [snip] Perhaps the message getting out is actually that Python's performance is

Re: [Python-Dev] Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
fwiw, IDG's Computer Sweden, sweden's leading IT-newspaper has a surprisingly big Python article in their most recent issue: PYTHON FEELS WELL Better performance biggest news in 2.4 and briefly interviews swedish zope-developer Johan Carlsson and Python- Ware co-founder HÃ¥kan

Re: [Python-Dev] Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-10 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:11:04PM +0300, Oleg Broytmann wrote: some popular areas. Let's add another topic, Making things fast. Let's even make it the first topic, though I personnaly dont see a need for this. The topic guides are migrating into the Wiki, and there's already a Wiki page about

Re: [Python-Dev] Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-10 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 02:01:55PM -0500, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:11:04PM +0300, Oleg Broytmann wrote: some popular areas. Let's add another topic, Making things fast. Let's even make it the first topic, though I personnaly dont see a need for this. The topic

RE: [Python-Dev] Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-10 Thread Raymond Hettinger
The Wiki entry seems to reinforce the impression that bugged Guido to begin with. It provides a bunch of but ... explanations about why Python's speed isn't that important. Python is slow, but speed of development is far more important. I felt the same way when reading it. Also, it seemed

Re: [Python-Dev] Re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
Raymond Hettinger wrote: guidelines for applications that demand peek performance (in terms of memory Peak performance, perhaps? :) Anyway, it looks pretty good to me, but I have a few additional ideas. Add a section of Caveats (we know they exist - might as well be upfront about it): Caveats