[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 11/28/20 9:30 PM, Paul Ganssle wrote: > > Considering the people involved and the nature of the list, I suspect > that > > adding a new @python.org mailing list would be better than discourse. > In my > > experience, it's very difficult to

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On 11/28/20 9:30 PM, Paul Ganssle wrote: Considering the people involved and the nature of the list, I suspect that adding a new @python.org mailing list would be better than discourse. In my experience, it's very difficult to just follow a single topic on the discourse, and most people

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

I would subscribe as well for Nixpkgs. On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Tianon Gravi wrote: > > I'd love to have an easy way to keep them in the loop. > > I'm one of the maintainers on https://github.com/docker-library/python > (which is what results in https://hub.docker.com/_/python), and I'd

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On Sun., 29 Nov. 2020, 6:31 am Paul Ganssle, wrote: > Considering the people involved and the nature of the list, I suspect that > adding a new @python.org mailing list would be better than discourse. In > my experience, it's very difficult to just follow a single topic on the > discourse, and

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On Sat, 2020-11-28 at 12:13 -0800, Brett Cannon wrote: > So that's two people. If five people involved in the distribution of Python > speak up I will go ahead and create a category on discuss.python.org (people > can ask sooner, but my personal threshold here to do the work myself is 5 ). Count

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

Considering the people involved and the nature of the list, I suspect that adding a new @python.org mailing list would be better than discourse. In my experience, it's very difficult to just follow a single topic on the discourse, and most people complain that the e-mail integration is not great.

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

So that's two people. If five people involved in the distribution of Python speak up I will go ahead and create a category on discuss.python.org (people can ask sooner, but my personal threshold here to do the work myself is 5 ). On Wed., Nov. 25, 2020, 00:18 Petr Viktorin, wrote: > On

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On 11/24/20 7:50 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: If enough people were interested we could create a "Distributors" category on discuss.python.org . I'd join :) On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:08 AM Tianon Gravi > wrote: > I'd love to have an

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

If enough people were interested we could create a "Distributors" category on discuss.python.org. On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:08 AM Tianon Gravi wrote: > > I'd love to have an easy way to keep them in the loop. > > I'm one of the maintainers on https://github.com/docker-library/python > (which is

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

> I'd love to have an easy way to keep them in the loop. I'm one of the maintainers on https://github.com/docker-library/python (which is what results in https://hub.docker.com/_/python), and I'd love to have an easy way to keep myself in the loop too! O:) Is there a lower-frequency mailing list

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:51, Paul Ganssle wrote: > > Not to put words in Barry's mouth, but I took Barry's comment to be more an > answer to the question of how to contact "distro packagers" as a group, more > than he was taking a position about this particular issue. Correct! Cheers, -Barry

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

Good to know. I think one reason I wouldn't immediately think to send things to Linux-SIG is that for me "distro packagers" also includes people maintaining packages in the BSD, Solaris, conda-forge, homebrew, etc ecosystems. It might make sense to have a dedicated list or discourse for distro

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

> why is this dependency needed? The tzdata package is marked with Priority > required. See Debian policy 2.5. > > Matthias Not to put words in Barry's mouth, but I took Barry's comment to be more an answer to the question of how to contact "distro packagers" as a group, more than he was taking

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On 11/16/20 6:46 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > That’s what I was going to suggest. I’m not doing any Debian or Ubuntu work > these days, but Matthias Klose should be watching both lists, and should be > able to handle the Debuntu stack. why is this dependency needed? The tzdata package is marked

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

That’s what I was going to suggest. I’m not doing any Debian or Ubuntu work these days, but Matthias Klose should be watching both lists, and should be able to handle the Debuntu stack. -Barry > On Nov 16, 2020, at 07:45, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 11/16/20 4:10 PM, Paul Ganssle wrote: >>>

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On Mon, 2020-11-16 at 09:32 -0500, Paul Ganssle wrote:   Hi all,    One part of PEP 615 (IANA time zones) that I expected to be easily overlooked (a point about which I seem to have been right) is the recommendation that starting with Python 3.9, distros should add a dependency on the system time

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On 11/16/20 4:10 PM, Paul Ganssle wrote: Maybe it would make sense to create a community mailing list for packagers? That sounds like a good idea to me. I am following the Linux SIG mailing list. But it's mostly dead. https://mail.python.org/archives/list/linux-...@python.org/ -- Miro

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On 11/16/20 9:57 AM, Filipe Laíns wrote: > In Arch Linux, tzdata is a dependency of glibc, which is part of the > base[1] package that should be present on every installation. So, there > is no action necessary :) > We could make it an explicit dependency, but that it not necessarily > required,

[Python-Dev] Re: Distro packagers: PEP 615 and the tzdata dependency

On 16/11/2020 15.32, Paul Ganssle wrote: > Hi all, > > One part of PEP 615 (IANA time zones) that I expected to be easily > overlooked (a point about which I seem to have been right) is the > recommendation that starting with Python 3.9, distros should add a > dependency on the system time zone