[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread Jim J. Jewett
David Mertz wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 6:40 AM Mark Shannon m...@hotpy.org > wrote: > > I NEVER care about memory at all... except inasmuch as it effects speed. In my admittedly idiosyncratic experience, memory is usually by far my most constrained resource. I do care about it, even if pyth

[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread Ethan Furman
I am totally against arbitrary limits in the CPython reference implementation and in the language as a whole. -- ~Ethan~ ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.pyt

[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread Walter Dörwald
On 11 Dec 2019, at 12:12, Mark Shannon wrote: Hi everyone, Thanks for all your feedback so far. Previously I asked for "more precise" feedback, which has been interpreted as evidence backed feedback. That's not what I meant. My fault for not being clearer. Your opinions without any justific

[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:12:59AM +, Mark Shannon wrote: > Another thing I would like feedback on this: > My justification for a single limit of one million across the board is > to ease memorization and learning. > Is that sufficient justification, or would differing limits be better? Why

[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread Paul Moore
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 11:38, Mark Shannon wrote: > Your opinions without any justifications are welcome, but I need precision. > > For example, saying "I don't want any limits ever for anything" is > precise, but saying "A limit of 1 million is OK provided the performance > improvements justify i

[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread Rhodri James
On 11/12/2019 11:12, Mark Shannon wrote: P.S. On the subject of tradeoffs, here's a bonus question: What, in your opinion, increase in memory consumption is acceptable for a 1% improvement in speed, or vice versa? Depends on the phase of the moon, the hardware I'm trying to run on, and the pr

[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread David Mertz
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 6:40 AM Mark Shannon wrote: > P.S. On the subject of tradeoffs, here's a bonus question: > What, in your opinion, increase in memory consumption is acceptable for a > 1% improvement in speed, or vice versa? I NEVER care about memory at all... except inasmuch as it effects

[Python-Dev] Re: More feedback on PEP 611, please

2019-12-11 Thread David Mertz
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 6:40 AM Mark Shannon wrote: > Another thing I would like feedback on this: > My justification for a single limit of one million across the board is to > ease memorization and learning. > Is that sufficient justification, or would differing limits be better? > Absolutely not