Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-17 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Benji York wrote: Alexander Schremmer wrote: In fact, PHP does it like php.net/functionname which is even shorter, i.e. they fallback to the documentation if that path does not exist otherwise. Like many things PHP, that seems a bit too magical for my

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Benji York wrote: Alexander Schremmer wrote: In fact, PHP does it like php.net/functionname which is even shorter, i.e. they fallback to the documentation if that path does not exist otherwise. Like many things PHP, that seems a bit

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-17 Thread Alexander Schremmer
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:13:14 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: If something like Fredrik's new doc system is adopted, it would be extremely convenient to refer someone to just docs.python.org/os.path.join In fact, PHP does it like php.net/functionname which is even shorter, i.e. they fallback to

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-17 Thread Benji York
Alexander Schremmer wrote: In fact, PHP does it like php.net/functionname which is even shorter, i.e. they fallback to the documentation if that path does not exist otherwise. Like many things PHP, that seems a bit too magical for my tastes. -- Benji York

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-16 Thread Gerhard Häring
Jeremy Hylton wrote: I don't think this message is on-topic for python-dev. There are lots of great places to discuss the design of the python web site, but the list for developers doesn't seem like a good place for it. Do we need a different list for people to gripe^H^H^H^H^H discuss the

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Tim Parkin
Guido van Rossum wrote: (Now that I work for Google I realize more than ever before the importance of keeping URLs stable; PageRank(tm) numbers don't get transferred as quickly as contents. I have this worry too in the context of the python.org redesign; 301 permanent redirect is *not* going

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 2/15/06, Tim Parkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: (Now that I work for Google I realize more than ever before the importance of keeping URLs stable; PageRank(tm) numbers don't get transferred as quickly as contents. I have this worry too in the context of the

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Tim Parkin
Guido van Rossum wrote: On 2/15/06, Tim Parkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: I have this worry too in the context of the python.org redesign; 301 permanent redirect is *not* going to help PageRank of the new page.) Could you expand on why 301 redirects won't help with the

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Jeremy Hylton
As I said in an earlier message, there's no need to have a separate domain to restrict queries to just the doc/current part of python.org. Just type site:python.org/doc/current your query here If there isn't any other rationale, maybe we can redirects docs.python.org back to www.python.org?

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Jeremy Hylton wrote: As I said in an earlier message, there's no need to have a separate domain to restrict queries to just the doc/current part of python.org. Just type site:python.org/doc/current your query here If there isn't any other rationale, maybe we can redirects docs.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Georg Brandl wrote: If something like Fredrik's new doc system is adopted, it would be extremely convenient to refer someone to just docs.python.org/os.path.join without looking up how the page is actually named. you could of course reserve a toplevel directory for that purpose; e.g.

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Georg Brandl wrote: If something like Fredrik's new doc system is adopted don't hold your breath, by the way. it's clear that the current PSF-sponsored site overhaul won't lead to anything remotely close to a best-of-breed python- powered site, and I'm beginning to think that I should spend my

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Tim Parkin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Georg Brandl wrote: If something like Fredrik's new doc system is adopted don't hold your breath, by the way. it's clear that the current PSF-sponsored site overhaul won't lead to anything remotely close to a best-of-breed python- powered site, and I'm beginning to

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-15 Thread Jeremy Hylton
I don't think this message is on-topic for python-dev. There are lots of great places to discuss the design of the python web site, but the list for developers doesn't seem like a good place for it. Do we need a different list for people to gripe^H^H^H^H^H discuss the web site? Jeremy On

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-14 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 2/13/06, Fred L. Drake, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 10:03, Georg Brandl wrote: The above docs are from August 2005 while docs.python.org/dev is current. Shouldn't the old docs be removed? I'm afraid I've generally been too busy to chime in much on this

[Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread Georg Brandl
The above docs are from August 2005 while docs.python.org/dev is current. Shouldn't the old docs be removed? Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread Guido van Rossum
Shouldn't docs.python.org be removed? It seems to add mroe confusion than anything, especially since most links on python.org continue to point to python.org/doc/. On 2/13/06, Georg Brandl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The above docs are from August 2005 while docs.python.org/dev is current.

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Monday 13 February 2006 10:03, Georg Brandl wrote: The above docs are from August 2005 while docs.python.org/dev is current. Shouldn't the old docs be removed? I'm afraid I've generally been too busy to chime in much on this topic, but I've spent a bit of time thinking about it, and would

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:52:44PM -0500, Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: What I would also like to see is to have an automatically-updated version for each of the maintainer versions of Python, as well as the development trunk. That would mean two versions at this point (2.4.x, 2.5.x); only one of

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread Michael Foord
Guido van Rossum wrote: Shouldn't docs.python.org be removed? It seems to add mroe confusion than anything, especially since most links on python.org continue to point to python.org/doc/. All the web says about 1200 links into the docs.python.org subdomain. (Different to the google link

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Monday 13 February 2006 15:40, Guido van Rossum wrote: Shouldn't docs.python.org be removed? It seems to add mroe confusion than anything, especially since most links on python.org continue to point to python.org/doc/. docs.python.org was created specifically to make searching the most

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: docs.python.org was created specifically to make searching the most recent stable version of the docs easier (using Google's site: modifier, no less). I don't know what the link count statistics say (other than what you mention), and don't know which gets hit more

Re: [Python-Dev] http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel still available

2006-02-13 Thread Jeremy Hylton
On 2/13/06, Fred L. Drake, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 15:40, Guido van Rossum wrote: Shouldn't docs.python.org be removed? It seems to add mroe confusion than anything, especially since most links on python.org continue to point to python.org/doc/.