Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-16 Thread Chris Jerdonek
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I have set up a BitBucket repo called distlib, at https://bitbucket.org/vinay.sajip/distlib/ ... The code was taken at around the time packaging was removed, and may not have more recent changes. Would it be

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-16 Thread Daniel Holth
On Sep 16, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Chris Jerdonek chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I have set up a BitBucket repo called distlib, at https://bitbucket.org/vinay.sajip/distlib/ ... The code was taken at around the time

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-16 Thread Paul Moore
On 14 September 2012 16:12, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I have set up a BitBucket repo called distlib, at https://bitbucket.org/vinay.sajip/distlib/ This has the following bits of distutils2 / packaging, updated to run on 2.x and 3.x with a single codebase, and including

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-16 Thread Daniel Holth
I agree with Lennart's and Antoine's advice of just move forward with what we have. If some PEPs need fixing then let's fix them, but we don't need to rock the horse even more by going overboard. Getting the sane, core bits into the stdlib as packaging is meant to is plenty to take on. If

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-16 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Lennart's and Antoine's advice of just move forward with what we have. If some PEPs need fixing then let's fix them, but we don't need to rock the horse even more by going overboard. Getting the sane, core bits

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-16 Thread Vinay Sajip
Paul Moore p.f.moore at gmail.com writes: A nice addition would be an API for managing the RECORD file. I would imagine functions to read/write the file (hiding the details of how to open the CSV file correctly in a cross-platform manner), functions to produce a list of the files installed

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-16 Thread Paul Moore
On 16 September 2012 23:26, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I think all that's needed (at the same level of abstraction) is a method write_installed_files(iterable_of_absolute_file_paths) which writes the file. This code is already in the

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-15 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 9/14/12 5:12 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: I like distcore or distlib, though. I have set up a BitBucket repo called distlib, at https://bitbucket.org/vinay.sajip/distlib/ This has the following bits of distutils2 / packaging, updated to run on 2.x

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-15 Thread Vinay Sajip
Tarek Ziadé tarek at ziade.org writes: Regards, oh, cool ! maybe we could copy it at hg.python.org ? Sure, but I don't know if I can do it. IIUC it needs someone with an account on the server to create new repositories. Regards, Vinay Sajip

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Sure, but I don't know if I can do it. IIUC it needs someone with an account on the server to create new repositories. Depends how much you care about a pristine history - you can do a server side clone of an

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-15 Thread Vinay Sajip
Depends how much you care about a pristine history - you can do a server side clone of an existing repo and then empty it out. And if you use http://hg.python.org/buildbot/empty/ as the starting point, there isn't even anything to empty out. Actually there are some files in there - a

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-15 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:27:28 +0100 (BST) Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Depends how much you care about a pristine history - you can do a server side clone of an existing repo and then empty it out. And if you use http://hg.python.org/buildbot/empty/ as the starting point,

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-15 Thread Vinay Sajip
Antoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net writes: On the other hand, if you are not using hg.python.org features such as commits e-mails or buildbots, it's also fine living on bitbucket until the project matures a bit. I'm fine with that. Regards, Vinay Sajip

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:14:17 +1000 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:43 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: When the removal was being pondered, the possibility of keeping certain bits that were more ready than others was discussed. Perhaps the

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Donald Stufft
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Most people use distutils / packaging as an application, not a library. If you provide only a subset of the necessary features, people won't use packaging. Not that I think current usage patterns matter since moving from

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 9/13/12 11:38 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:14:17 +1000 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:43 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: When the removal was being pondered, the possibility of keeping certain bits that were more ready

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Chris Jerdonek
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Tarek Ziadé ta...@ziade.org wrote: Here's my proposal - actually it's Nick's proposal but I want to make sure we're on the same page wrt steps, and I think that addresses Antoine concerns 1. create a new package, called pkglib (or whatever), located at hg

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Donald Stufft
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: Yeah but we've been too ambitious. Here's my proposal - actually it's Nick's proposal but I want to make sure we're on the same page wrt steps, and I think that addresses Antoine concerns 1. create a new package, called

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Paul Moore
On 13 September 2012 12:32, Tarek Ziadé ta...@ziade.org wrote: Here's my proposal - actually it's Nick's proposal but I want to make sure we're on the same page wrt steps, and I think that addresses Antoine concerns 1. create a new package, called pkglib (or whatever), located at hg

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 9/13/12 2:45 PM, Paul Moore wrote: 4. ask each project to pour in pkglib anything that can be reused by others +1, although again it'll be down to the projects whether they do actually contribute. Also this somewhat contradicts the be strict point above, which is why I'm lukewarm on be

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Chris Jerdonek chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Tarek Ziadé ta...@ziade.org wrote: Here's my proposal - actually it's Nick's proposal but I want to make sure we're on the same page wrt steps, and I think that addresses Antoine

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, the essential idea of getting those 4 modules (and support libraries) that almost made it into 3.3 into sufficiently good shape that they can be distributed independently of distutils2 and adopted as a dependency

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 13/09/2012 10:34, Nick Coghlan a écrit : Actually, I'd be happy to do the rearrangement needed to turn pkgutil into a package rather than the current single module. I very much prefer not mixing pkgutil (dealing with packages that you import) and build/distribution/installation support

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Hi, Le 13/09/2012 10:34, Nick Coghlan a écrit : Actually, I'd be happy to do the rearrangement needed to turn pkgutil into a package rather than the current single module. I very much prefer not mixing pkgutil (dealing

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Hi, Le 13/09/2012 10:34, Nick Coghlan a écrit : Actually, I'd be happy to do the rearrangement needed to turn pkgutil into a package rather than the current single module. I very much prefer not mixing pkgutil (dealing

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Erik Bray
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:14:17 +1000 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:43 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: When the removal was being pondered, the possibility of keeping

[Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Hello I was wondering if anyone knows if the removed Lib/packaging directory landed in some other places after it was removed. We have http://hg.python.org/distutils2 be the 'packaging' version is a full py3-renamed version we need to keep mirrored Cheers Tarek

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Lib/packaging is in the repository history, and in my backup clones, but it’s not visible in any branch head as we have no branch for 3.4 yet. I can bring the directory back with a simple Mercurial command. However, it’s not clear to me that we want to do that. At the inception of the

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:02:42 -0400 Éric Araujo e...@netwok.org wrote: Hi, Lib/packaging is in the repository history, and in my backup clones, but it’s not visible in any branch head as we have no branch for 3.4 yet. I can bring the directory back with a simple Mercurial command.

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Éric Araujo e...@netwok.org wrote: Hi, Lib/packaging is in the repository history, and in my backup clones, but it’s not visible in any branch head as we have no branch for 3.4 yet. I can bring the directory back with a simple Mercurial command. However,

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Éric Araujo e...@netwok.org wrote: “find a PEP dictator and propose changes”. And when I started the thread about removing packaging in 3.3, hundreds of replies discussed changing the whole distutils architecture, splitting the project, exploring new systems,

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Daniel Holth
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Éric Araujo e...@netwok.org wrote: “find a PEP dictator and propose changes”. And when I started the thread about removing packaging in 3.3, hundreds of replies discussed changing the

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Éric Araujo
I'm happy to note that as of version 0.6.28 distutils (the setuptools fork) You certainly mean distribute. :-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Éric Araujo e...@netwok.org wrote: “find a PEP dictator and propose changes”. And when I started the thread about removing packaging in 3.3, hundreds of replies discussed changing

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:07:42 -0400, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Éric Araujo e...@netwok.org wrote: “find a PEP dictator and propose changes”. And when I started the

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:43 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: When the removal was being pondered, the possibility of keeping certain bits that were more ready than others was discussed. Perhaps the best way forward is to put it back in bits, with the most finished (and PEP