Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Not necessarily wanting to see this discussion die again, how about just calling it the 'PythonScript' project. Name means it is still obvious and I can't see how we would have issues with a composite name like that as far as PSF trademark goes, but then could be wrong. On 11/05/07, Graham Dumpleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/05/07, Jim Gallacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like that one. Another, less scientific, possibility might be > pythonalia (python + miscellania). That reminds me of news broadcasts where they talk about police arresting people in possession of drug paraphernalia. :-) In a similar extension though, there is always the 'Apache Pythonistas' project. Where people have mentioned the feather, may be we can call it 'PigeonPy'. This is sort of having a slight dig at the 'CherryPy' symbolism if you get it. For a really obscure reference, try 'Pungi'. I'll let you all work out that one by yourself. Graham
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
On 10/05/07, Jim Gallacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like that one. Another, less scientific, possibility might be pythonalia (python + miscellania). That reminds me of news broadcasts where they talk about police arresting people in possession of drug paraphernalia. :-) In a similar extension though, there is always the 'Apache Pythonistas' project. Where people have mentioned the feather, may be we can call it 'PigeonPy'. This is sort of having a slight dig at the 'CherryPy' symbolism if you get it. For a really obscure reference, try 'Pungi'. I'll let you all work out that one by yourself. Graham
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Mike Looijmans wrote: Apache includes a feather in its logo, and Python is associated with a snake. "Quetzalcoatl" means "feathered snake" and does not appear to be used by any other software project. Which I can fully understand, because "Quetzalcoatl" is harder to pronounce than the 16 character password for the mainframe that was generated using /dev/random. I admit I like the logic more than the name itself. I liked "Asphyxia" though. Makes a nice password too. To me, "Asphyxia" has *extremely* negative connotations, and really stretches the limits of clever association. Another name that comes to mind is "Scales", playing on the Apache feather motif, but I fear it will be lost in search results among pages that discuss how well "Apache scales".
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Apache includes a feather in its logo, and Python is associated with a snake. "Quetzalcoatl" means "feathered snake" and does not appear to be used by any other software project. Which I can fully understand, because "Quetzalcoatl" is harder to pronounce than the 16 character password for the mainframe that was generated using /dev/random. I liked "Asphyxia" though. Makes a nice password too. Mike.
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy wrote: 1. "Python" is not a good name for this project because "Apache Python" will just be too confusing and probably infringes on a PSF trademark. So if you have any creative suggestions, send them in, don't be shy, even if you think they may sound a little stupid at first :-) Apache includes a feather in its logo, and Python is associated with a snake. "Quetzalcoatl" means "feathered snake" and does not appear to be used by any other software project.
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
How about naming it PyPache ? Ulf On Wed May 9 2007 05:56 pm Graham Dumpleton wrote: > On 10/05/07, Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. "Python" is not a good name for this project because "Apache Python" > > will just be too confusing and probably infringes on a PSF trademark. So > > if you have any creative suggestions, send them in, don't be shy, even if > > you think they may sound a little stupid at first :-) > > How about 'Asphyxia'. This being the outcome if a Python gets you. :-) > > Since the reason for the TLP being for Python rather than just > mod_python was the idea there might be more than just the mod_python > project, ie., other Apache/Python modules, then maybe call it > 'Pythonidae'. This is the more technical name for the family of snakes > which people call Pythons. Not sure how you are meant to pronounce > that though. > > Graham
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
On 10/05/07, Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1. "Python" is not a good name for this project because "Apache Python" will just be too confusing and probably infringes on a PSF trademark. So if you have any creative suggestions, send them in, don't be shy, even if you think they may sound a little stupid at first :-) How about 'Asphyxia'. This being the outcome if a Python gets you. :-) Since the reason for the TLP being for Python rather than just mod_python was the idea there might be more than just the mod_python project, ie., other Apache/Python modules, then maybe call it 'Pythonidae'. This is the more technical name for the family of snakes which people call Pythons. Not sure how you are meant to pronounce that though. Graham
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Sorry - for technical reasons (serious home server crash) I missed this thread entirely, and for the same reason i'm lagging on the releasing mod_python that's ready to go. I am for making mod_python a TLP, and I also support Jim's suggestion of making it more general. So a late +1. I didn't see any suggestion of who the person interfacing with the board would be - i'd be happy to be it, as with my current schedule i'm probably only good for "administrative" tasks of this sort anyhow. P.S. Also agree with Graham re modpython.org site - but that's an issue not related to python being TLP, it's just that some day someone needs to do the work of migrating the mailing list and its archive and the site to apache infra. Grisha On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Feb 7, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: The vote shall be open 72 hours or until all of the mod_python core group members have voted, whichever is earlier. Well, I didn't get enough responses, so this will have to wait until after folks figure out what to do next. Roy
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Feb 7, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: The vote shall be open 72 hours or until all of the mod_python core group members have voted, whichever is earlier. Well, I didn't get enough responses, so this will have to wait until after folks figure out what to do next. Bad timing I guess. We'll have to try to get our act together in time for the March 21 board meeting. For your February report to the board, mod_python 3.3.1 is ready for release - just waiting for Grisha to make the public announcement. Other than that things are pretty quiet around here right now. Jim G.
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
On Feb 7, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: The vote shall be open 72 hours or until all of the mod_python core group members have voted, whichever is earlier. Well, I didn't get enough responses, so this will have to wait until after folks figure out what to do next. Roy
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Feb 9, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Jim Gallacher wrote: Hi Roy, +1 approve requesting a mod_python TLP +2 to the alterative: approve requesting a python TLP I think that would be fine, except you will have to come up with a name that is not "Apache Python Project". That is essentially a trademark infringement and I know the Perl community doesn't like the way we named Perl-Apache either. Java became Jakarta for the same reason. I wondered about the trademark issue. How is it handled within the ASF if we coin a new name? Do we just come up with a name and hope for the best or does the foundation need to trademark it? For example I see that "Tomcat" and "Apache Tomcat" are trademarked, but I don't see anything for Jakarta. Any guidance would be appreciated. Jim
Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
On Feb 9, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Jim Gallacher wrote: Hi Roy, +1 approve requesting a mod_python TLP +2 to the alterative: approve requesting a python TLP I think that would be fine, except you will have to come up with a name that is not "Apache Python Project". That is essentially a trademark infringement and I know the Perl community doesn't like the way we named Perl-Apache either. Java became Jakarta for the same reason. Roy
[VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP
Hi all, With my VP, Apache HTTP Server, pointy hat on... Generally speaking, the goal of any Apache project is that the people who are doing the work should also be the ones with the responsibility for making the rules, deciding when to release, resolving their own conflicts, inviting new committers, making infrastructure requests, and occasionally reporting to the ASF board about all of the above. The mod_python committers have effectively been doing that for a long time, on their own, and with no problems apparent to my eyes. However, mod_python is currently an official responsibility of the HTTP Server project, as a whole, and for me in particular to report on it. The board is meeting on the 20th, which means I need to prepare a report before the 18th, and one of the things I'd like to say in that report is that the mod_python developers have decided to form their own top-level project, with its own chair/VP, and here is the resolution to make it happen. Of course, I can't really do that unless that is what you actually want me to do, so the first step is to vote: +1 approve requesting a mod_python TLP 0 don't care -1 opposed to doing our own laundry The vote shall be open 72 hours or until all of the mod_python core group members have voted, whichever is earlier. The second step is to acknowledge that, if approved, you would like to be named as one of the PMC members of a mod_python project in the proposed board resolution. The third step is to please nominate one of those PMC members to be named as the chair/VP responsible for interacting with the ASF board. It should be someone who is willing to listen to the board mailing list, able to make infrastructure requests on behalf of the project, and desiring to facilitate (not dictate) decisions to be made by the project. It is not a "technical lead" style of position, though there are many technical leaders who also happen to be good project chairs. Feel free to nominate or un-nominate yourself. If there is more than one nominee that wants to be chair, then I will set up a quick vote or suitably random toss after the rest of the resolution is determined. Please note that the chair serves as the representative of the board, so it is the board that actually decides who will be chair and can replace the chair at any time, though they usually follow the project's nomination. Cheers, Roy
