[Python-Dev] Re: Remove formatter module from Python 3.9, deprecated for 7 years (Python 3.4)
As another datapoint, in an internal codebase with a high XX million lines of Python code, I see a mere 7 uses. Most of which are in legacy things that would be trivial to use f-strings instead if the code doesn't just get deleted when the owners notice. :) (and my team is responsible for upgrading us to 3.9 so we'd simply make that happen at that time) -gps On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:09 AM Gregory P. Smith wrote: > +1 remove it to match that policy. I find it unlikely someone will ask > for it to be restored, but our first response before doing so should be to > see if they can instead use it as a dependency via PyPI: Someone who wants > to maintain it for future use can take 3.8 formatter module and put it > there. > > -gps > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:43 AM Andrew Svetlov > wrote: > >> I have no objections, the module raises the explicit deprecation >> warning since 2013. >> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:31 PM Victor Stinner >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I proposed https://bugs.python.org/issue39352 to remove the formatter >> > module. It's deprecated since Python 3.4. The main reason why it's >> > still around is the PEP 4 rule: >> > >> > "In order to facilitate writing code that works in both Python 2 & 3 >> > simultaneously, any module that exists in both Python 3.5 and Python >> > 2.7 will not be removed from the standard library until Python 2.7 is >> > no longer supported as specified by PEP 373." >> > >> > >> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0004/#for-modules-existing-in-both-python-2-7-and-python-3-5 >> > >> > Python 2.7 is not longer supported. So can we now remove the formatter >> module? >> > >> > The module has no test, I failed to find any user in a dummy GitHub >> > code search and I didn't know that this module even existed. >> > >> > We can still revert the module before 3.9.0 final release if someone >> > shows up and asks to keep it for one more cycle. >> > >> > My intent here is to reduce the size of the Python standard library to >> > reduce the maintenance burden. Python became quite large and it's more >> > and more expensive to maintain it. Wait... I'm not asking to remove >> > all modules of the standard library :-) The decision must be taken on >> > a case by case basis, for each module. Here I'm only taking about the >> > formatter module. >> > >> > Victor >> > -- >> > Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. >> > ___ >> > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ >> > Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ESSRZXEJ7MWMGNZQKNDURGRWIZ5FQHKP/ >> > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Andrew Svetlov >> ___ >> Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/BHCWXBTELE354DCELWADMOX6O6CJOJ2A/ >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/IAYJ5HXIMRU7YMZUZDOPW54PQOBPPFDQ/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Remove formatter module from Python 3.9, deprecated for 7 years (Python 3.4)
+1 remove it to match that policy. I find it unlikely someone will ask for it to be restored, but our first response before doing so should be to see if they can instead use it as a dependency via PyPI: Someone who wants to maintain it for future use can take 3.8 formatter module and put it there. -gps On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:43 AM Andrew Svetlov wrote: > I have no objections, the module raises the explicit deprecation > warning since 2013. > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:31 PM Victor Stinner > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I proposed https://bugs.python.org/issue39352 to remove the formatter > > module. It's deprecated since Python 3.4. The main reason why it's > > still around is the PEP 4 rule: > > > > "In order to facilitate writing code that works in both Python 2 & 3 > > simultaneously, any module that exists in both Python 3.5 and Python > > 2.7 will not be removed from the standard library until Python 2.7 is > > no longer supported as specified by PEP 373." > > > > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0004/#for-modules-existing-in-both-python-2-7-and-python-3-5 > > > > Python 2.7 is not longer supported. So can we now remove the formatter > module? > > > > The module has no test, I failed to find any user in a dummy GitHub > > code search and I didn't know that this module even existed. > > > > We can still revert the module before 3.9.0 final release if someone > > shows up and asks to keep it for one more cycle. > > > > My intent here is to reduce the size of the Python standard library to > > reduce the maintenance burden. Python became quite large and it's more > > and more expensive to maintain it. Wait... I'm not asking to remove > > all modules of the standard library :-) The decision must be taken on > > a case by case basis, for each module. Here I'm only taking about the > > formatter module. > > > > Victor > > -- > > Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. > > ___ > > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ESSRZXEJ7MWMGNZQKNDURGRWIZ5FQHKP/ > > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > > > -- > Thanks, > Andrew Svetlov > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/BHCWXBTELE354DCELWADMOX6O6CJOJ2A/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/EGKD2KC4ZG2B7ZPA3NCBCWM3GRCJOP5M/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-Dev] Re: Remove formatter module from Python 3.9, deprecated for 7 years (Python 3.4)
I have no objections, the module raises the explicit deprecation warning since 2013. On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:31 PM Victor Stinner wrote: > > Hi, > > I proposed https://bugs.python.org/issue39352 to remove the formatter > module. It's deprecated since Python 3.4. The main reason why it's > still around is the PEP 4 rule: > > "In order to facilitate writing code that works in both Python 2 & 3 > simultaneously, any module that exists in both Python 3.5 and Python > 2.7 will not be removed from the standard library until Python 2.7 is > no longer supported as specified by PEP 373." > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0004/#for-modules-existing-in-both-python-2-7-and-python-3-5 > > Python 2.7 is not longer supported. So can we now remove the formatter module? > > The module has no test, I failed to find any user in a dummy GitHub > code search and I didn't know that this module even existed. > > We can still revert the module before 3.9.0 final release if someone > shows up and asks to keep it for one more cycle. > > My intent here is to reduce the size of the Python standard library to > reduce the maintenance burden. Python became quite large and it's more > and more expensive to maintain it. Wait... I'm not asking to remove > all modules of the standard library :-) The decision must be taken on > a case by case basis, for each module. Here I'm only taking about the > formatter module. > > Victor > -- > Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ESSRZXEJ7MWMGNZQKNDURGRWIZ5FQHKP/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ -- Thanks, Andrew Svetlov ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/BHCWXBTELE354DCELWADMOX6O6CJOJ2A/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
