Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 14 January 2018 at 03:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > Hi, > > PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have > virtual environment support in Python. Ian Bicking had just

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-14 04:16, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > >> These days a lot of packages are using setuptools' entry points to >> create console scripts. Entry point have no option to create a console >> script with -s or -I flag. On

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Jan 13, 2018 9:08 AM, "Christian Heimes" wrote: Hi, PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. I didn't know I had you to thank for this! Thanks Christian! This is one of the best features

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > These days a lot of packages are using setuptools' entry points to > create console scripts. Entry point have no option to create a console > script with -s or -I flag. On my system, only 40 out of 360 scripts in >

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Jan 13, 2018, at 11:12, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > We would very much like to see --user the default rather than having it > removed. Very much +1. In Debian/Ubuntu we’ve carried patches to do exactly that for years, and I think our users have been very happy about it.

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, 17:27 Alex Walters, wrote: > I would suggest throwing this to -ideas, rather than just keeping it in > -dev > as there is a much wider community of users and usecases in -ideas. > > ... and -ideas will shoot it down because user installs are too

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

I would suggest throwing this to -ideas, rather than just keeping it in -dev as there is a much wider community of users and usecases in -ideas. ... and -ideas will shoot it down because user installs are too useful. It is also my understanding that it is the desire of PyPA to eventually have

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 09:00:07PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > You'd be surprised how many tools and programs are using Python these > days. You can easily break important user programs by installing a > package with --user. Or by writing a Python script and innocently giving it the same

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

Hi all, I'm a user who decided to read the mailing list and respond to argue against and maybe stop things I don't think will help users as much as you think.I think deprecating user site-packages is such a change. That venvs exist doesn't mean most or even many people use them, even though I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

I’m generally +1, though I don’t see an easy migration path. Moving to a node.js project model might be feasible, but I suspect our real solution will end up having to be ensuring use of -s where it’s needed. Top-posted from my Windows phone From: Christian Heimes Sent: Sunday, January 14,

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 21:06:19 +0100 Christian Heimes wrote: > >> > >> I see two option: > >> > >> 1) "pip install --user" is no longer supported. You have to learn how to > >> use virtual envs. It's really easy: "python3 -m venv path; path/bin/pip > >> install package". > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 09:00:07PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018-01-13 20:08, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 06:06:16PM +0100, Christian Heimes > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-13 19:57, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:18:41 +0100 > Christian Heimes wrote: >> On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: Hi, PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted.

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, 11:13 Miro Hrončok, wrote: > On 13.1.2018 18:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > > Nowadays Python has venv in the standard library. The user-specific > > site-packages directory is no longer that useful. I would even say it's > > causing more trouble than

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-13 20:08, Oleg Broytman wrote: > Hi! > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 06:06:16PM +0100, Christian Heimes > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one >> decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 07:18:41PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > >> decade and

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

Hi! On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 06:06:16PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > Hi, > > PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have > virtual environment support in Python. Ian

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

Hello, On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:18:41 +0100 Christian Heimes wrote: [] > >> Nowadays Python has venv in the standard library. The user-specific > >> site-packages directory is no longer that useful. I would even say > >> it's causing more trouble than it's worth. For

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 13.1.2018 18:06, Christian Heimes wrote: Nowadays Python has venv in the standard library. The user-specific site-packages directory is no longer that useful. I would even say it's causing more trouble than it's worth. For example it's common for system script to use "#!/usr/bin/python3"

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:18:41 +0100 Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > >> decade and two

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: >> Hi, >> >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one >> decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have >> virtual environment support in

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > Hi, > > PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have > virtual environment support in Python. Ian Bicking had just started to > create