Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Holden
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Terry Reedy writes: Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have | that there is a policy of support for both the current release | (2.5) and the

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Coghlan
Steve Holden wrote: In which case doesn't it make more sense to use the existing mechanism of PEP 356 (Release Schedule)? If something isn't listed in there (even without dates) then there are no current plans to release it, and that tells the reader everything they need to know. At the

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Holden
Nick Coghlan wrote: Steve Holden wrote: In which case doesn't it make more sense to use the existing mechanism of PEP 356 (Release Schedule)? If something isn't listed in there (even without dates) then there are no current plans to release it, and that tells the reader everything they

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: This strikes me as an improvement, but 'maintain' is close to 'support' and seems to make a promise that might also have unintended legal consequences. But that is what your legal consel is for. Unilateral statements on a web page do not constitute a contract. Implied

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Python can dispose of a raft of bugs present only in the older versions with WONTFIX at release of a new stable version (after double-checking that they don't exist in the stable version). I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases are produced, and what Python releases,

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Martin v. Löwis writes: I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases are produced, and what Python releases, and what kinds of changes they may contain. However, such a policy should be addressed primarily to contributors, as a guidance, not to users, as a promise.

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases are produced, and what Python releases, and what kinds of changes they may contain. However, such a policy should be addressed primarily to contributors, as a guidance, not to users, as a promise. So I have problems

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Terry Reedy
Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have | that there is a policy of support for both the current release | (2.5) and the (still very widely used) previous release (2.4) is a | real

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have | that there is a policy of support for both the current release | (2.5) and the (still very widely used) previous

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Terry Reedy
Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | FWIW, after Martin's explanation, and considering the annoyance of | keeping updates sync'ed (can PEPs be amended after acceptance, or only | superseded by a new PEP, like IETF RFCs?), Informational PEPs often get

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 10, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: This strikes me as a bit over-officious (the 'officially' adds nothing to me except a bit of stuffiness). Worse, it seems wrong and hence, to me, misleading. The current de facto policy is

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 10, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: The Python Software Foundation officially supports the current stable major release and one prior major release. Currently, Python 2.5 and 2.4 are officially supported. If you take officially

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Tony Nelson
At 12:58 AM +0200 5/12/07, Martin v. Löwis wrote: The Python Software Foundation officially supports the current stable major release of Python. By supports we mean that the PSF will produce bug fix releases of this version, currently Python 2.5. We may release patches for earlier versions if

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread skip
Tony The Python Software Foundation maintains the current stable major Tony release of Python. By maintains we mean that the PSF will Tony produce bug fix releases of that version, currently Python 2.5. Tony We have released patches for earlier versions as necessary, such

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Terry Reedy
Tony Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:58 AM +0200 5/12/07, Martin v. Löwis wrote: |However, I would prefer to not use the verb support at all. agreed |The Python Software Foundation maintains the current stable major |release of Python. By maintains we

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Martin v. Löwis writes: However, I would prefer to not use the verb support at all. We (the PSF) don't provide any technical support for *any* version ever released: '''PSF is making Python available to Licensee on an AS IS basis. PSF MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES [...].''' Of

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Saturday 12 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there is (generally?) an attempt to make one last bug fix release of the previous version after the next major version is released, should that be mentioned? To make it concrete, I believe shortly after 2.5.0 was released the final bug

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-10 Thread Terry Reedy
Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | This came up in a different context. I originally emailed this to | the python.org admins, but Aahz rightly points out that we should | first agree here that this

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-10 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Thursday 10 May 2007, Barry Warsaw wrote: This came up in a different context. I originally emailed this to the python.org admins, but Aahz rightly points out that we should first agree here that this actually /is/ our official stance. +1 -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fdrake at

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
The Python Software Foundation officially supports the current stable major release and one prior major release. Currently, Python 2.5 and 2.4 are officially supported. If you take officially supported to mean there will be further bugfix releases, then no: 2.4 is not anymore officially