Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 07/23/2013 05:13 PM, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > One way or the other, the PEP states that people should be careful about what > /usr/bin/python points to, since it may be python 2 as well as python 3. This > gives us the freedom to do the switch when we want and not break the upstream > expecta

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-23 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > I'm okay with this portion of the definition. One note is I would be > hesitant > about the timing of python3 being the only python that is installed into the > minimal buildroot. This should probably happen in rawhide right after > a branching. > To be more specif

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-22 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > 3) Making all livecd packages depend on Python 3 by default (and > > eventually getting rid of Python 2 from livecd) - this will also require > > switching from Yum to DNF as a default, that is suppo

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/23/2013 12:42 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:15:50PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 07/22/2013 03:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >>> If python3 could just finally

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 03:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:15:31AM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 07/20/2013 06:11 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>> pythonic is a very vague statement

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-21 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28:33AM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Are Matthew's replies stuck in the python-devel moderation queue? > (Just realised the likely reason I'm only seeing half this > conversation...) > > Hmm, also just realised I've been hitting Re

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-21 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:15:31AM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/20/2013 06:11 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > pythonic is a very vague statement and I wouldn't consider most of > > your list to be examples of those. Yes, python3 may be a *b

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/20/2013 07:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:30:36PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:45:41PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>> * python-cheetah -- Development slowed way down after they made >>>

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/20/2013 06:11 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > pythonic is a very vague statement and I wouldn't consider most of > your list to be examples of those. Yes, python3 may be a *better* > language (and I would include most of your list as "features of >

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 07/19/2013 06:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 07/19/2013 01:56 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: >>> >>> From packaging point of view, this will probably require: >>> 1) Renaming python package to python2 >>> 2) Renaming python3 package

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:41:23AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > - Original Message - > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving > > > Fedora to Python 3 as a default. > >

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 07/19/2013 01:56 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: >> >> From packaging point of view, this will probably require: >> 1) Renaming python package to python2 >> 2) Renaming python3 package to python >> 3) Switching the %{?with_python3} cond

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-18 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > Hi all, > > as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving > > Fedora to Python 3 as a default. > > I'm not sure we want to make python3 default depending on what your > defin

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-18 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > From packaging point of view, this will probably require: > 1) Renaming python package to python2 > 2) Renaming python3 package to python > 3) Switching the %{?with_python3} conditionals in specfiles to > %{?with_python2} (we wi