Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[José Abílio Matos]

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 00.35.32 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> I would rather not. The package split wasn't properly tested and F29 is
> almost out. This isn't something to stick in between Beta and Final.

That I understand. :-)
 
> IMHO the main purpose of matplotlib in the RPM package is to support
> other RPM packages. Developers who want the new stuff can use venv+pip.

Every time that I read this I always remember Jamie Zawinski's quote:

  Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular 
expressions." Now they have two problems.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski

> Is there any serious trouble with matplotlib 2 that would justify the
> update?

 IMHO it is more the other way around, with our emphasis on python 3 for 
Fedora 29+ matplotlib 3.0.0 is the first release to fully go into python 3 
that would align both goals.

All IMHO, of course. :-)
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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Elliott Sales de Andrade]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 05:11, Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 29.8.2018 10:56, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 29.8.2018 05:38, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 18:42, Miro Hrončok  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 17.8.2018 21:51, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
> >>  > On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 15:18, Miro Hrončok  >> 
> >>  > >>
> wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:
> >>  >  > On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok
> wrote:
> >>  >  >> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help
> >> us to
> >>  > determine
> >>  >  >> if this is F29 material.
> >>  >  >
> >>  >  > You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)
> >>  >  >
> >>  >  > Now on more serious note and judging from the previous
> >> releases I
> >>  > would expect
> >>  >  > this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time
> difference
> >>  > between the last
> >>  >  > rc release and the official release):
> >>  >  > https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases
> >>  >  >
> >>  >  > Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)
> >>  >
> >>  > OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29
> >> if the
> >>  > release is not too late?
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > At the moment, there are some issues to work out with the new
> >> automatic
> >>  > backend selection:
> >>  > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=29102643
> >>  > but otherwise, I don't see any major issues.
> >>
> >> Oh. So you have this ready? Can you open a WIP pull request for
> >> review?
> >> I was just starting to dig into the specfile.
> >>
> >>
> >> Opened
> >> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-matplotlib/pull-request/9
> >> for 3.0.0rc2. I believe there are still issues with the backend tests.
> >
> > Great! Who's working on python2-matplotib? I can help but I don't want
> > to maintain it.
>
> OK. Thanks everybody I've kicked the build for python-matplotlib 3
> without python2 and python2-matplotlib 2. Rawhide only. Hopefully not
> everything breaks.
>
>
Thoughts on F29 then? I don't like to be 6 months behind. (Maybe wait for
3.0.1 which fixes some compatibility things.)

As for python2-matplotlib, I can commit to updating the test images (
https://github.com/QuLogic/mpl-images), but don't really want to own the
package. Maybe just leave it for @python-sig?


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Miro Hrončok]

On 29.8.2018 10:56, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 29.8.2018 05:38, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 18:42, Miro Hrončok > wrote:


    On 17.8.2018 21:51, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
 > On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 15:18, Miro Hrončok mailto:mhron...@redhat.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 >     On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:
 >      > On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
 >      >> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help
    us to
 >     determine
 >      >> if this is F29 material.
 >      >
 >      > You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)
 >      >
 >      > Now on more serious note and judging from the previous
    releases I
 >     would expect
 >      > this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference
 >     between the last
 >      > rc release and the official release):
 >      > https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases
 >      >
 >      > Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)
 >
 >     OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29
    if the
 >     release is not too late?
 >
 >
 > At the moment, there are some issues to work out with the new
    automatic
 > backend selection:
 > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=29102643
 > but otherwise, I don't see any major issues.

    Oh. So you have this ready? Can you open a WIP pull request for 
review?

    I was just starting to dig into the specfile.


Opened 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-matplotlib/pull-request/9 
for 3.0.0rc2. I believe there are still issues with the backend tests.


Great! Who's working on python2-matplotib? I can help but I don't want 
to maintain it.


OK. Thanks everybody I've kicked the build for python-matplotlib 3 
without python2 and python2-matplotlib 2. Rawhide only. Hopefully not 
everything breaks.


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Miro Hrončok]

On 29.8.2018 05:38, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 18:42, Miro Hrončok > wrote:


On 17.8.2018 21:51, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
 > On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 15:18, Miro Hrončok mailto:mhron...@redhat.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 >     On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:
 >      > On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
 >      >> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help
us to
 >     determine
 >      >> if this is F29 material.
 >      >
 >      > You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)
 >      >
 >      > Now on more serious note and judging from the previous
releases I
 >     would expect
 >      > this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference
 >     between the last
 >      > rc release and the official release):
 >      > https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases
 >      >
 >      > Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)
 >
 >     OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29
if the
 >     release is not too late?
 >
 >
 > At the moment, there are some issues to work out with the new
automatic
 > backend selection:
 > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=29102643
 > but otherwise, I don't see any major issues.

Oh. So you have this ready? Can you open a WIP pull request for review?
I was just starting to dig into the specfile.


Opened 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-matplotlib/pull-request/9 for 
3.0.0rc2. I believe there are still issues with the backend tests.


Great! Who's working on python2-matplotib? I can help but I don't want 
to maintain it.




BTW I've invited you to https://github.com/fedora-python/matplotlib so
we can have the patches in Fedora manged github org.


Yep, I noticed that and have pushed the patches there already.


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Elliott Sales de Andrade]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 18:42, Miro Hrončok  wrote:

> On 17.8.2018 21:51, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 15:18, Miro Hrončok  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:
> >  > On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >  >> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help us to
> > determine
> >  >> if this is F29 material.
> >  >
> >  > You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)
> >  >
> >  > Now on more serious note and judging from the previous releases I
> > would expect
> >  > this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference
> > between the last
> >  > rc release and the official release):
> >  > https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases
> >  >
> >  > Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)
> >
> > OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29 if the
> > release is not too late?
> >
> >
> > At the moment, there are some issues to work out with the new automatic
> > backend selection:
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=29102643
> > but otherwise, I don't see any major issues.
>
> Oh. So you have this ready? Can you open a WIP pull request for review?
> I was just starting to dig into the specfile.
>
>
Opened https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-matplotlib/pull-request/9
for 3.0.0rc2. I believe there are still issues with the backend tests.


> BTW I've invited you to https://github.com/fedora-python/matplotlib so
> we can have the patches in Fedora manged github org.
>

Yep, I noticed that and have pushed the patches there already.


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Miro Hrončok]

On 17.8.2018 21:51, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 15:18, Miro Hrončok > wrote:




On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:
 > On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
 >> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help us to
determine
 >> if this is F29 material.
 >
 > You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)
 >
 > Now on more serious note and judging from the previous releases I
would expect
 > this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference
between the last
 > rc release and the official release):
 > https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases
 >
 > Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)

OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29 if the
release is not too late?


At the moment, there are some issues to work out with the new automatic 
backend selection:

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=29102643
but otherwise, I don't see any major issues.


Oh. So you have this ready? Can you open a WIP pull request for review? 
I was just starting to dig into the specfile.


BTW I've invited you to https://github.com/fedora-python/matplotlib so 
we can have the patches in Fedora manged github org.


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Thomas Caswell]

I agree with Elliot, the only thing I expect any major issues with is the
backend selection.  3-5 weeks is the likely timeline.

Tom

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 4:38 PM Elliott Sales de Andrade <
quantum.anal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 15:18, Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:
>> > On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
>> >> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help us to
>> determine
>> >> if this is F29 material.
>> >
>> > You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)
>> >
>> > Now on more serious note and judging from the previous releases I would
>> expect
>> > this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference between the
>> last
>> > rc release and the official release):
>> > https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases
>> >
>> > Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)
>>
>> OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29 if the
>> release is not too late?
>>
>>
> At the moment, there are some issues to work out with the new automatic
> backend selection:
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=29102643
> but otherwise, I don't see any major issues.
>
>
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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Elliott Sales de Andrade]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 15:18, Miro Hrončok  wrote:

>
>
> On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:
> > On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help us to determine
> >> if this is F29 material.
> >
> > You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)
> >
> > Now on more serious note and judging from the previous releases I would
> expect
> > this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference between the
> last
> > rc release and the official release):
> > https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases
> >
> > Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)
>
> OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29 if the
> release is not too late?
>
>
At the moment, there are some issues to work out with the new automatic
backend selection:
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=29102643
but otherwise, I don't see any major issues.


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Miro Hrončok]

On 17.8.2018 20:20, José Abílio Matos wrote:

On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:

Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help us to determine
if this is F29 material.


You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)

Now on more serious note and judging from the previous releases I would expect
this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference between the last
rc release and the official release):
https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases

Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)


OK, let's just do this in rawhide only and only push to f29 if the 
release is not too late?


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[José Abílio Matos]

On Friday, 17 August 2018 18.54.59 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help us to determine
> if this is F29 material.

You know the answer: when it is ready. :-)

Now on more serious note and judging from the previous releases I would expect 
this to be release in 3 to 5 weeks (see the time difference between the last 
rc release and the official release):
https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/releases

Or can always ask to Thomas, the matplotlib leader. :-)
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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Miro Hrončok]

On 17.8.2018 17:36, José Abílio Matos wrote:

On Monday, 13 August 2018 21.06.03 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:

Should we try to package 3.0.0rc1 in Copr?


Yes, in the sense that it would be interesting to have this in Fedora 29. :-)


Is there an upstream schedule? That would very much help us to determine 
if this is F29 material.



Like what you have described above in the thread:
"Create a python2-matplotib SRPM with the python2 package of matplotilb 2.
Remove python2 subpackage from python-matplotlib, update to 3."

Unfortunately my testing time is very small as I am in holidays in family. :-)


I might eventually get to it. I just want to know if we are are all on 
the same side.


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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[José Abílio Matos]

On Monday, 13 August 2018 21.06.03 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> Should we try to package 3.0.0rc1 in Copr?

Yes, in the sense that it would be interesting to have this in Fedora 29. :-)

Like what you have described above in the thread:
"Create a python2-matplotib SRPM with the python2 package of matplotilb 2.
Remove python2 subpackage from python-matplotlib, update to 3."

Unfortunately my testing time is very small as I am in holidays in family. :-)

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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[Miro Hrončok]

On 13.8.2018 20:42, José Abílio Matos wrote:

On Sunday, 12 August 2018 21.19.39 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:

Is the 3 API substantially different from 2?


Nope, it is the (natural) evolution of matplotlib 2.
For further details see:
https://matplotlib.org/devdocs/users/whats_new.html
  

If not, I'd do what we did with ipython, astroid, pylint, astropy.

Create a python2-matplotib SRPM with the python2 package of matplotilb 2.
Remove python2 subpackage from python-matplotlib, update to 3.


This seems to fell in this case.


Should we try to package 3.0.0rc1 in Copr?

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Re: Plans for Matplotlib 3.0+

[José Abílio Matos]

On Sunday, 12 August 2018 21.19.39 WEST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> Is the 3 API substantially different from 2?

Nope, it is the (natural) evolution of matplotlib 2.
For further details see:
https://matplotlib.org/devdocs/users/whats_new.html
 
> If not, I'd do what we did with ipython, astroid, pylint, astropy.
> 
> Create a python2-matplotib SRPM with the python2 package of matplotilb 2.
> Remove python2 subpackage from python-matplotlib, update to 3.

This seems to fell in this case.

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