Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 562

On 10 November 2017 at 22:27, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Picking up this thread as part of the PEP 562 and PEP 549 review. I like > PEP 562 most, but I propose to add special-casing for `__dir__`. Not quite > as proposed above (making the C level module_dir() look for `__all__`)

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 562

Picking up this thread as part of the PEP 562 and PEP 549 review. I like PEP 562 most, but I propose to add special-casing for `__dir__`. Not quite as proposed above (making the C level module_dir() look for `__all__`) but a bit more general -- making module_dir() look for `__dir__` and call that

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 560 (second post)

On 10 November 2017 at 21:19, Koos Zevenhoven wrote: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Ivan Levkivskyi > wrote: > >> On 10 November 2017 at 18:39, Koos Zevenhoven wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Ivan Levkivskyi

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 560 (second post)

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Ivan Levkivskyi wrote: > On 10 November 2017 at 18:39, Koos Zevenhoven wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Ivan Levkivskyi >> wrote: >> >>> ​ >>> >> ​ >>> After creating the class, >>> the

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 560 (second post)

On 10 November 2017 at 18:39, Koos Zevenhoven wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Ivan Levkivskyi > wrote: > >> ​ >> > ​ >> After creating the class, >> the original bases are saved in ``__orig_bases__`` (currently this is also >> done by the

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 560 (second post)

On 10 November 2017 at 17:43, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Hey Ivan, > > There seem to be some action items from this thread that I haven't seen > reflected in the PEP source code yet. > [...snip...] > Then the next step I propose is a PR with a full implementation. After > that

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 560 (second post)

Hey Ivan, There seem to be some action items from this thread that I haven't seen reflected in the PEP source code yet. - Change the title (I like "Core support for typing module and generic types" but maybe it can be shortened to "Core support for generics in the typing module" -- if you like

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 10 November 2017 at 11:37, Oleg Broytman wrote: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 07:48:35AM +0100, Michel Desmoulin > wrote: >> On linux you >> can't pip install, you need --users, admin rights or a virtualenv. > >Isn't it the same on Windows? For an

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 09:50:22AM +, Paul Moore wrote: > The biggest reason we don't add Python to PATH, as I understand it, is > because we need to consider the implications of people having multiple > versions of Python installed. Why not fix that the same way as

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 07:48:35AM +0100, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > On linux you > can't pip install, you need --users, admin rights or a virtualenv. Isn't it the same on Windows? For an admin-installed Python you need --users, admin rights or a virtualenv. And a

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 10 November 2017 at 10:01, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 10 November 2017 at 19:50, Paul Moore wrote: >> On 10 November 2017 at 08:01, Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> That tooling is venv: >>> >>> * it ensures you have "pip" on your PATH >>> *

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 10 November 2017 at 19:50, Paul Moore wrote: > On 10 November 2017 at 08:01, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> That tooling is venv: >> >> * it ensures you have "pip" on your PATH >> * it ensures you have "python" on your PATH >> * it ensures that you have the

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 10 November 2017 at 08:01, Nick Coghlan wrote: > You can't have it both ways - the only way we can systematically mask > the environmental differences between Windows, Linux and Mac OS X is > by providing tooling that actually masks those differences, which > means

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 10 November 2017 at 17:05, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > >> Which is why we advise getting into a virtual environment ASAP, such >> that the only platform specific thing folks necessarily need to learn >> to get started is how to get to that first working virtual >>