my closing comment on this thread : i back discourse, atwood is a nice guy,
he believes in his product. just mobile, mobile usage is a must.
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
Mauritius
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On 9/20/18 2:04 PM, Chris Barker via Python-ideas wrote:
>
> Hmm -- I don't suppose Mailman has a way to filter out threads, does
> it? If not, maybe we could add that -- might work well in cases like this.
>
> -CHB
Mailman can filter based on regular expression on anything in the
headers of the
Mikhail V wrote:
I think there are forum systems which allow you to post by email so
it is possible to get the same effect as with mailing list, if you really want.
I hope that, if any such change is made, a forum system is
chosen that allows full participation via either email or news.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 3:52 PM Kyle Lahnakoski
wrote:
> KeyboardInterrupt (any interrupt really) is dangerous. Now, we can
> probably code a solution, but how about we remove the danger
>
The other day I accidentally fork-bombed myself with Python os.fork in an
infinite loop. Whoops. It seems to
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 8:52 AM Kyle Lahnakoski wrote:
> Since the java.lang.Thread.stop() "debacle", it has been obvious that
> stopping code to run other code has been dangerous. KeyboardInterrupt
> (any interrupt really) is dangerous. Now, we can probably code a
> solution, but how about we
On 2017-06-28 07:40, Erik Bray wrote:
> Hi folks,
Since the java.lang.Thread.stop() "debacle", it has been obvious that
stopping code to run other code has been dangerous. KeyboardInterrupt
(any interrupt really) is dangerous. Now, we can probably code a
solution, but how about we remove the
Mark E. Haase wrote:
Many e-mails to this list do
nothing more than say +1 or -1 without much added discussion.
Are there really all that many? They seem relatively rare
to me. Certainly not enough to annoy me.
--
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Mark E. Haase wrote:
I would also appreciate a +1 button. Many e-mails to this list do
nothing more than say +1 or -1 without much added discussion.
A tiny bit of discussion is still better than none at all.
And even if there's no discussion, there's a name attached
to the message, which makes
Hi,
Again a brief update.
* icontract supports now static and class methods (thanks to my colleague
Adam Radomski) which came very handy when defining a group of functions as
an interface *via* an abstract (stateless) class. The implementors then
need to all satisfy the contracts without needing
On 9/20/2018 3:38 AM, Hans Polak wrote:
I don’t think its unreasonable to point out that the title of this
thread is "Moving to another forum". If you want to contribute Python
Ideas you *have to* subscribe to the mailing list.
Or you can point your mail/news reader to news.gmane.org and
The below email was reported to the PSF board for code of conduct
violations and then passed on to the conduct working group to decide on an
appropriate response.
Based on the WG's recommendation and after discussing it with Titus, the
decision has been made to ban Jacco from python-ideas.
A point here:
any proposal that is an actual proposal, rather than a idea that needs
fleshing out, can benefit from being written down in a single document.
It does NOT have to be an official PEP in order for that to happen. If you
are advocating something, then write it down, post it gitHbu or
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> And that's exactly what a mute on replies does. Most people will just
> give up, which is appropriate. People who have (what they think is) a
> good reason to continue can start a new thread
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:21 AM Cameron Simpson wrote:
>
> On 20Sep2018 10:16, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal wrote:
> >Let's just keep it on email -- I, at least, find i never participate in any
> >other type of discussion forum regularly.
>
> As do I. Email comes to me. Forums, leaving aside
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:25 AM Anders Hovmöller wrote:
> >>> Not for drafting, but for submitting.
> >>
> >> Can you quote pep1? I think you’re wrong.
> >
> > I can't remember if I pulled this quote previously (that's one of the
> > troubles with emails): "Following a discussion on
>>> Not for drafting, but for submitting.
>>
>> Can you quote pep1? I think you’re wrong.
>
> I can't remember if I pulled this quote previously (that's one of the
> troubles with emails): "Following a discussion on python-ideas, the
> proposal should be submitted as a draft PEP ..."
>
> Could
also Mr Brett, i have no way of knowing moderators, though i don't trample
here and there, mods words are sacred and apart from mods saying i'm a mod,
i can't really tell. maybe a footer saying mod or something like that
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
Mauritius
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 12:20 Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 09/18/2018 12:05 PM, Franklin? Lee wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 2:37 PM Jonathan Goble wrote:
>
> >> Perhaps not, but part of that might be because stopping an active
> >> discussion on a mailing list can be hard to do, so one might
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 9:27 AM Anders Hovmöller wrote:
> >> That's because completion of discussion has never been a requirement
> >> for writing a PEP.
> >
> > Not for drafting, but for submitting.
>
> Can you quote pep1? I think you’re wrong.
I can't remember if I pulled this quote previously
it was just i like chris message v/s i like a like button
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ
Mauritius
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018, 18:24 Oleg Broytman, wrote:
>That message was rather bad in my not so humble opinion -- it was
> just "I want my +1 button" without any
> The firehose of python-ideas is a barrier to entry to suggesting major
> changes to the language. This is a GOOD thing. Major changes need dedicated
> advocates - if they are unwilling to endure the flood of mail, they are not
> dedicated enough to the change, and that is an indication of
>> That's because completion of discussion has never been a requirement
>> for writing a PEP.
>
> Not for drafting, but for submitting.
Can you quote pep1? I think you’re wrong.
In general pep1 is frustratingly vague. Terms like “community consensus”
without defining community or what
Chris Barker via Python-ideas writes:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 PM, James Lu wrote:
> > In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be
> > locked. No more posts can be added.
> Exactly -- but that means we are stopping the discussion -- but we don't
> want to stop the
> -Original Message-
> From: Hans Polak
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 3:38 AM
> To: Alex Walters ; python-ideas@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where
>
>
> I don’t think its unreasonable to point out that it’s a *mailing list*.
>
+1 to everything James said.
This otherwise pointless mail is further evidence he’s right.
On 20 Sep 2018, at 17:08, James Lu wrote:
>> It's absence is a big advantage. We're not a social network with
>> "likes". We don't need a bunch of argumentless "voting".
>
> Up/ down voting indicates
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:13 AM Stephen J. Turnbull
wrote:
> Michael Selik writes:
>
> > However, PEP 1 does not give instruction on how to evaluate whether
> > that discussion has been completed satisfactorily.
>
> That's because completion of discussion has never been a requirement
> for
On 09/20/2018 07:48 AM, James Lu wrote:
Were there any productive parts to that conversation?
Out of 85 messages, there was 1 for sure, possibly three more.
In the 95 "Retire or reword the namesake of the Language" thread there were 2.
Obviously my opinion, but I hope everyone would agree
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:33 AM Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 09/20/2018 07:23 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> > We're proposing and *discussing* things here not "likes" each other.
> > Write your arguments or be silent.
>
> The number of people who have the same argument is also a factor. I would
>
> It's absence is a big advantage. We're not a social network with
> "likes". We don't need a bunch of argumentless "voting".
Up/ down voting indicates how much consensus we have among the entire
community- an expert might agree with another expert’s arguments but not have
anything else to add,
Were there any productive parts to that conversation?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 PM, James Lu wrote:
>> In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be locked. No more
>> posts can be added.
>
>
On 09/20/2018 07:23 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 09:05:33AM -0400, Mark E. Haase wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:09 AM Oleg Broytman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:46:10PM +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
i miss a +1 button
It's absence is a big
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 09:05:33AM -0400, "Mark E. Haase"
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:09 AM Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:46:10PM +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer <
> > arj.pyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > i miss a +1 button
> >
> >It's absence is a big
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:39 PM, James Lu wrote:
> In a forum, the beautiful is better than ugly issue would be locked. No
> more posts can be added.
>
Exactly -- but that means we are stopping the discussion -- but we don't
want to stop the discussion altogether, we want to have the productive
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:09 AM Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:46:10PM +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer <
> arj.pyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > i miss a +1 button
>
>It's absence is a big advantage. We're not a social network with
> "likes". We don't need a bunch of
On 18/09/18 23:37, James Lu wrote:
Other than that, my biggest issues with the current mailing system are:
* There’s no way to keep a updated proposal of your own- if you decide to
change your proposal, you have to communicate the change. Then, if you want to
find the authoritative current
it's another phrasing of +1 or i like his reply not meaning i'd like +1
buttons in mail
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
Mauritius
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018, 16:09 Oleg wrote:
>
>It's absence is a big advantage. We're not a social network with
> "likes". We don't need a bunch of argumentless "voting".
>
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:46:10PM +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
wrote:
> i miss a +1 button
It's absence is a big advantage. We're not a social network with
"likes". We don't need a bunch of argumentless "voting".
> --
> Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
> https://github.com/abdur-rahmaanj
>
> Frankly, I think the bigger issue is all too human -- we get sucked in and
> participate when we really know we shouldn't (or maybe that's just me).
>
That may be why some people misbehave, but we have no way of discouraging that
misbehavior.
> And I'm having a hard time figuring out how
i miss a +1 button
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:17 PM Chris Barker via Python-ideas <
python-ideas@python.org> wrote:
>
> Let's just keep it on email -- I, at least, find i never participate in
> any other type of discussion forum regularly.
>
> ...
> --
>
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
>
Michael Selik writes:
> However, PEP 1 does not give instruction on how to evaluate whether
> that discussion has been completed satisfactorily.
That's because completion of discussion has never been a requirement
for writing a PEP. Writing a PEP is a lot more effort than writing an
email.
On 20Sep2018 10:16, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal wrote:
Let's just keep it on email -- I, at least, find i never participate in any
other type of discussion forum regularly.
As do I. Email comes to me. Forums, leaving aside their ergonomic horrors
(subjective), require a visit.
Cheers,
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Franklin? Lee <
leewangzhong+pyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What people may really be clamoring for is a larger moderation team,
> or a heavier hand. They want more enforcement, not more effective
> enforcement.
>
Or maybe clamoring for nothing -- it's just not
I don’t think its unreasonable to point out that it’s a *mailing list*. A
firehose of email is generally a sign of good health of a mailing list. Even
so, there are mitigations to the firehose effect, including, but not limited to
digests and setting up your client to move mailing list
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