Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

One person saying "this thread doesnt belong here" doesnt make it so. I have met too often in my life with a situation where people were chasing others away because they simply didnt like the particular topic. This thread still Has its participants. You are replying on it As well. And until Discuss

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

For those talking abstract points, here is a screenshot of GitHub. Works like a charm on mobile. https://s3.postimg.org/e30lc3tk3/Screenshot_2016_08_15_13_00_59_com_browser_inter.png 15 sie 2016 10:34 AM "Arek Bulski" napisał(a): > But we do not care if the experimental animal dies, that is the

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

But we do not care if the experimental animal dies, that is the point of doing the experiment. I registered at Discuss and kina like it. Then tried to create a new thread and my Android keyboard shows over the fields. Discuss As it is now doesnt work for mobile. 14 sie 2016 9:35 PM "Arek Bulski"

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On 8/13/2016 1:40 PM, Arek Bulski wrote: Praise the guide! (Guido) ​GitHub issues are also delivered by email, with full post content. Guido and others will be satisfied. The mailing lists are currently mirrored on news.gmane.org, though that could change. This works great for me. The tracke

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On 14/08/2016 16:45, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > A uniform interface works well enough for issue trackers. And the > "freedom of choice" idea doesn't overrule all other concerns. > > Maybe we should just start a python-ideas tracker and see who comes. > There's no reason it couldn't exist in addi

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

As i think Donald pointed it out, it doesnt take a laptop to contribute. Did you all notice that Guido replied from a phone? Currently half of the mailing list mail is large auto quotes or subject date info. Lines are never broken the way they should be. Who wants to keep their mail toolchains, ke

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 at 05:16 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:57:03PM +0200, Arek Bulski wrote: > > ​I throw a proposal on the table: lets create a "python-ideas" repo under > > "python" account on GitHub and move this and only this thread onto it. If > > it fails, > > What is

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > Are you going to run Python tests on your smartphone? If not, > wouldn't it be a little problematic to work on a real computer but to > communicate on a phone? This is kind of silly, I can contribute to a discussion from a phone without

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Aug 14, 2016 5:18 AM, "Oleg Broytman" wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 03:57:44AM -0500, C Anthony Risinger < anth...@xtfx.me> wrote: > > Mobile dominates my non-work net-time today. I don't want to get out a > > laptop to respond pretty. > >In what ways are you going to contribute withou

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: I think one of the big trade offs here, is that the traditional mailing > list can work very well if everyone involved takes the time to develop a > custom tool chain that fits their own workflow

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

A uniform interface works well enough for issue trackers. And the "freedom of choice" idea doesn't overrule all other concerns. Maybe we should just start a python-ideas tracker and see who comes. There's no reason it couldn't exist in addition to the mailing list. (Before you scream fragmentation

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 01:57:03PM +0200, Arek Bulski wrote: > ​I throw a proposal on the table: lets create a "python-ideas" repo under > "python" account on GitHub and move this and only this thread onto it. If > it fails, What is your definition of "fails"? If three people follow you onto Git

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

​I throw a proposal on the table: lets create a "python-ideas" repo under "python" account on GitHub and move this and only this thread onto it. If it fails, nothing but this thread is lost (not persisted in the mailing list) which would make no difference anyway. People made many points that are p

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On 14.08.2016 13:19, Paul Moore wrote: In my opinions, forums tend to encourage a much more focused style of discussion. In one way, that's a good thing (and I'm sure many people would prefer python-ideas to have more focus). But it *also* tends to deter people from contributing - I can't quite e

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On 13 August 2016 at 19:44, David Mertz wrote: > I find email list VASTLY easier to deal with than any newfangled web-based > custom discussion forum. Part of that is that it is a uniform interface to > every list I belong too, and I can choose my own MUA. With all those web > things, every site w

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 03:57:44AM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > Mobile dominates my non-work net-time today. I don't want to get out a > laptop to respond pretty. In what ways are you going to contribute without getting out to your laptop? > Email is almost by design static and unable

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:47:36AM +0200, Arkadiusz Bulski wrote: > Just pointing out that there is an official organisation account on github > already. All we need is someone to create a repo and people will immediately > start posting there. After a week you will see for yourself that it sim

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

We are all interacting from different points in or own personal development, in addition to growth and changes in how we interact with technology. I used to care about top posting. Email netiquette and rules and all that. I'd perform delicate inlining of responses to promote better readability and

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

Just pointing out that there is an official organisation account on github already. All we need is someone to create a repo and people will immediately start posting there. After a week you will see for yourself that it simply works. https://github.com/python For me personally, mailing lists ar

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

The world probably wouldn't better, but I think python-ideas will be better on something like GitHub. People who like it will benefit from it, people who don't will still be able to use their email setup (as pointed earlier - at least for the majority of cases). Regards, Eugene On Sun, Aug 14, 2

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 16:26 Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> > That's a mess and the whole email is formatted like that. I actually >> > have >> > not read the email because of the formattin

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 16:26 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > That's a mess and the whole email is formatted like that. I actually have > > not read the email because of the formatting issue. As Oleg pointed out, > > when you go with a federated sol

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > In terms of putting barriers in place of newbie contributions, mailing lists > appear more problematic than GitHub trackers, given how often we get a reply > to a digest or an indecipherable jumble of quoting. Trackers also > effectively

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

> On Aug 13, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: > > Can you start a new topic by email, or only reply to > existing ones? Depends on the specific system and the configuration setup for it. Github only allows replies, Discourse can optionally allow creation of new topics via email. — Donald

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

Guido van Rossum wrote: Note that all these alternatives still send email notifications (to those who want them), and trackers (including GitHub) also allow replies by email. Can you start a new topic by email, or only reply to existing ones? -- Greg __

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 3:33 PM, John Wong wrote: > Whether it's Mozilla, Python or Cloud Foundry, Apache Cassandra, what not, > from my experience, the most meaningful discussion always happens over > email and over some kind of personal messaging platform, e.g. IRC or Slack. > That's an odd ju

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:59:56AM +1200, Greg Ewing wrote: > Oleg Broytman wrote: > > > From the recent and not so recent discussions of Moxi Marlinspike > >about centralized vs decentralized solutions (unfederated messaging vs > >email/jabber): "Indeed, cannibalizing a federated application-

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

Oleg Broytman wrote: From the recent and not so recent discussions of Moxi Marlinspike about centralized vs decentralized solutions (unfederated messaging vs email/jabber): "Indeed, cannibalizing a federated application-layer protocol into a centralized service is almost a sure recipe for a s

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > That's a mess and the whole email is formatted like that. I actually have > not read the email because of the formatting issue. As Oleg pointed out, > when you go with a federated solution like mail, you are the mercy of > whatever tools peopl

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 at 11:39 Donald Stufft wrote: > > > On Aug 13, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > > >> > >> As Donald pointed out, there are people who are not going to create > >> custom email processing toolchains. > > > > In what way they will be helpful to the development of Py

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Arkadiusz Bulski wrote: > „I think that just making it easier for new contributors > > will not help with getting good and dedicated contributors.” > > > > This is exactly what Donald was talking about. You are creating an > obstacle course for people to go throug

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

„I think that just making it easier for new contributors will not help with getting good and dedicated contributors.” This is exactly what Donald was talking about. You are creating an obstacle course for people to go through before they can contribute anything. I totally agree that we need *go

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On 08/13/2016 03:44 PM, David Mertz wrote: I find email list VASTLY easier to deal with than any newfangled web-based custom discussion forum. Part of that is that it is a uniform interface to every list I belong too, and I can choose my own MUA. With all those web things, every site works a litt

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

I find email list VASTLY easier to deal with than any newfangled web-based custom discussion forum. Part of that is that it is a uniform interface to every list I belong too, and I can choose my own MUA. With all those web things, every site works a little bit different from every other one, that i

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

> On Aug 13, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > >> >> As Donald pointed out, there are people who are not going to create >> custom email processing toolchains. > > In what way they will be helpful to the development of Python? > Contributors have to install, learn, configure and use a

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Arek Bulski wrote: > And mailing lists also send you messages in > whatever freakin interface they provide it. And on my android gmail app it > aint pretty. In my not so humble opinion, web interfaces, especially mobile ones, are even less pretty. >

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Arek Bulski wrote: > Praise the guide! (Guido) > > ???GitHub issues are also delivered by email, with full post content. Guido > and others will be satisfied. I wouldn't be satisfied without the ability to answer to this messages by email. Our bu

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

Good addition, makes me think. Thank you! On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 01:16:01PM -0400, Donald Stufft wrote: > > > On Aug 13, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > > > The advantages of email: > > I think one of the big trade offs here, is that the traditional mailing list > can work very

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

Praise the guide! (Guido) ​GitHub issues are also delivered by email, with full post content. Guido and others will be satisfied. And mailing lists also send you messages in whatever freakin interface they provide it. And on my android gmail app it aint pretty. Most of it is auto replies in plain

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

> On Aug 13, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > The advantages of email: I think one of the big trade offs here, is that the traditional mailing list can work very well if everyone involved takes the time to develop a custom tool chain that fits their own workflow perfectly and if t

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 06:36:06PM +0200, Oleg Broytman wrote: > Hi! Let me completely disagree. > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 04:31:06PM +0200, Arek Bulski > wrote: > > I have been a subscriber only for few weeks now but I dont like the mailing > > list at all. First, I get all the topics even t

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

Hi! Let me completely disagree. On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 04:31:06PM +0200, Arek Bulski wrote: > I have been a subscriber only for few weeks now but I dont like the mailing > list at all. First, I get all the topics even tho Windows encoding is not > of my interest. Second, most of the text is aut

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

I don't have time to respond at length, but I would just like to mention that I'm actually pretty tired of email threads getting off the rails and wouldn't mind looking at other approaches, including possibly a dedicated GitHub tracker (*not* the cpython or peps repo's tracker). There are other pos

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:31 AM, Arek Bulski wrote: > I have been a subscriber only for few weeks now but I dont like the mailing > list at all. First, I get all the topics even tho Windows encoding is not of > my interest. Second, most of the text is auto quotes anyway. Third, editing > posts ca

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

To ease the struggle of pressing "Mark as read" every time an uninteresting email arrives, look for "Mute" button. In Gmail it's under "More" drop-down. Apart from that, I completely agree. Maybe not necessarily GitHub, but something similar that's not email lists. On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 9:31 PM