[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-06 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
Thanks for your feedback.  A few comments: > I do not consider these two things conceptually equivalent. In Python the >identifier ('a' in this case) is just label to the value I used APL professionally for about ten years.  None of your objections ring true.  A simple example is had from mathem

[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-06 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
future. AI and ML, if anything, will allow us to define the problems we want to solve in something much closer to natural language and let the computers figure out how that translates to code. What kind of code? Python? C++? APL? x86? RISC-V? Who cares?! That's all I have time

[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-06 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
n with many people in the 30+ years since I learned APL and 20+ years since I stopped using it professionally.  Oh, really? You programmed APL for 10 years?! Did you go to Yale Mr. Kavanaugh? You can cut the arguments from Authority. They're worth nothing. Look, we don't have to a

[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-06 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
something he probably should not have said. I now see this is an intellectually welcoming community, which completely explains the walrus operator and other issues. Thanks anyway, -Martin On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 02:22:00 PM PST, Andrew Barnert wrote: On Nov 6, 2019, at 18:05

[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-06 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
e gone differently if the Mayans had a say. It has been my experience that people who have not had the experience rarely get it A pattern I've seen in my experience is that some person or group will put forth a pretty good idea, and others become dogmatic about that idea, loose sight of pra

[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-07 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
> Was your use of APL on a machine with a dedicated APL keyboard? I've done both.  In the early '80's it was not uncommon to find terminals with APL keyboards.  IBM, DEC, Tektronix and other made them.  Once the IBM PC era took hold most of APL was done with either a card you'd place in front of

[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-10 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
> This has nothing to do with representation or input via text It does, it's an extension of the reality that, after so many decades, we are still typing words on a text editor.  In other words, my comment isn't so much about the mechanics and editors that are available as much as the fact that

[Python-ideas] Re: Python should take a lesson from APL: Walrus operator not needed

2019-11-11 Thread Martin Euredjian via Python-ideas
> These thousands of words of repeating claims with weird non sequitur > digressions seem to amount to I am done with this thread.  It has received nothing but close-minded hostility.  Which is fine.  I understand.  That's the way the world works.  I've seen this kind of thing happen in many