Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Jan Claeys
On Tue, 2018-09-18 at 18:07 -0400, David Mertz wrote:
> Since 1972, there have been hundreds of reinventions of a means of
> carying on electronic conversations intended to be "better than
> email." The one thing they all have in common is that they are vastly
> worse than email.

I don't 100% agree with that.

E.g., there are better protocols when you need real-time conversations,
because (internet) email isn't necessarily good at that (by design).

And I'm sure there are other circumstances or purposes where another
protocol/standard is more appropriate.

But in general, email is pretty good.  :)


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Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where moderation is possible

2018-09-18 Thread Jan Claeys
On Tue, 2018-09-18 at 11:02 -0400, Jonathan Goble wrote:
> The biggest moderation issue I see with mailing lists is the
> inability to lock threads

That actually wouldn't be hard to implement in a mailing list software
as a semi-automatic moderation feature...


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Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Jan Claeys
On Fri, 2018-09-14 at 22:09 +0200, Davide Rizzo wrote:
> At one Python conference in Italy, participants were given an
> elegantly designed and well-crafted t-shirt with a writing in large
> characters that read "Beautiful is better than ugly" in reference to
> the Zen of Python. Back home, a close person who is not a Python
> programmer nor familiar with PEP 20 saw the t-shirt. They were
> horrified by the out-of-context sentence for reasons similar to what
> has been already stated in support of this argument. It prompted them
> of lookism and judgmentality, and found the message to be disturbing
> in its suggestion to compare by some standard of beauty and to
> discriminate. Let me add some context: this person is socially and
> politically active (maybe what someone would call a "SJW"; definitely
> not what anyone would call "politically correct"), and is specially
> sensitive to issues of discrimination and sexism. This was enough,
> though, for me to wonder what kind of message I would be projecting
> by wearing that writing on me. I've been since then discouraged to
> ever wear the t-shirt in any public context.

This illustrates that by taking something out of context, it can
(appear to) get an entirely different meaning.  This can happen on
purpose or (as in this case, I assume) by accident.

It doesn't say anything about the complete text of the “Zen of Python”
(which to any layperson probably looks quite like unintelligible
gibberish).

The lesson to be learned is: “be careful when taking something out of
context”.


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Re: [Python-ideas] Possible Enhancement to py Launcher - set default

2018-02-05 Thread Jan Claeys
On Mon, 2018-02-05 at 11:04 +, Paul Moore wrote:
> On 5 February 2018 at 08:10, Steve Barnes <gadgetst...@live.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > When a new version of python is in alpha/beta it is often desirable
> > to have it installed for tests but remain on a previous version for
> > day to day use.
> > 
> > However, currently the Windows py launcher defaults to the highest
> > version that it finds, which means that unless you are very careful
> > you will end up having to explicitly specify your older version
> > every time that you start python with it once you have installed
> > the newer version.
> > [...]
> 
> There's a `py.ini` file that lets you set the default version. See
> https://docs.python.org/3.6/using/windows.html#customization for
> details. Is that just something you weren't aware of, or does it not
> address the issue you're having?

Maybe the Windows installer should offer to set/change that, especially
when installing a non-release version?


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