On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Random832 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 23:36, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>> > (Also, it seems a shame that Ctrl-D is EOF in Linux and Mac, but Windows
>> > is Ctrl-Z + Return. Can that be standardized t
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 23:36, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
> > (Also, it seems a shame that Ctrl-D is EOF in Linux and Mac, but Windows
> > is Ctrl-Z + Return. Can that be standardized to Ctrl-D everywhere?)
>
> Sadly, I suspect not. If you'
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:12 AM, João Matos wrote:
> What is your Windows version? Are you trying on the cmd.exe console or PS?
Are you talking about PowerShell ISE? That doesn't work for
interactive console programs such as Python's REPL shell.
Otherwise, FYI, there is no such thing as a cmd.ex
Hi JM,
Yes indeed, I have that installed.
I was unaware it activates itself in the normal interpreter.
(I have it installed because IPython asks for it).
Stephan
2016-09-29 9:59 GMT+02:00 João Matos :
> Hello,
>
> You must have pyreadline installed (it isn't installed in the default
> CPython d
Hi JM,
Windows 7 Enterprise
"Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]"
I am running Python directly from the shortcut created on installation.
But starting it from cmd.exe has the same effect.
Codepage is 437 , this may be relevant?
I just tried it on a Windows 10 PC, there it has the same effect.
Hello,
I tried on Python 2.7.10 and Python 3.5.2 and Ctrl-L doesn't work on both.
I tried on 2 PCs with Windows 7 and none of them worked.
What is your Windows version? Are you trying on the cmd.exe console or PS?
Best regards,
JM
quinta-feira, 29 de Setembro de 2016 às 08:09:13 UTC+1, Stepha
Hello,
You must have pyreadline installed (it isn't installed in the default
CPython distribution).
Best regards,
JM
On 29-09-2016 08:56, Stephan Houben wrote:
Hi JM,
Windows 7 Enterprise
"Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]"
I am running Python directly from the shortcut created on in
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Stephan Houben wrote:
>
> I just tried with this official Python binary:
> Python 3.5.2 (v3.5.2:4def2a2901a5, Jun 25 2016, 22:01:18) [MSC v.1900 32 bit
> (Intel)] on win32
>
> and CTRL-L for sure does clear the window. It just doesn't then move the
> prompt to the
On 29 September 2016 at 08:08, Stephan Houben wrote:
> I just tried with this official Python binary:
> Python 3.5.2 (v3.5.2:4def2a2901a5, Jun 25 2016, 22:01:18) [MSC v.1900 32 bit
> (Intel)] on win32
>
> and CTRL-L for sure does clear the window. It just doesn't then move the
> prompt to the top,
Hi all,
I just tried with this official Python binary:
Python 3.5.2 (v3.5.2:4def2a2901a5, Jun 25 2016, 22:01:18) [MSC v.1900 32
bit (Intel)] on win32
and CTRL-L for sure does clear the window. It just doesn't then move the
prompt to the top, so you end up with a bunch of empty lines, followed by
Hello,
Yes, Ctrl-L doesn't clear the screen on Windows.
Making Ctrl-L clear the screen would be a good solution (no need for a
clear screen command).
Best regards,
JM
quinta-feira, 29 de Setembro de 2016 às 03:06:26 UTC+1, Steven D'Aprano
escreveu:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:05:16AM -0700
"Bash on Ubuntu on windows" responds to CTRL+D just fine. I don't really
know how it works, but it looks like it is based on the Windows terminal
emulator.
Elazar
בתאריך יום ה׳, 29 בספט' 2016, 06:36, מאת Chris Angelico :
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
> > (Also, i
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> (Also, it seems a shame that Ctrl-D is EOF in Linux and Mac, but Windows
> is Ctrl-Z + Return. Can that be standardized to Ctrl-D everywhere?)
Sadly, I suspect not. If you're running in the default Windows
terminal emulator (the one a nor
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:04:28PM +1000, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> (Also, it seems a shame that Ctrl-D is EOF in Linux and Mac, but Windows
> is Ctrl-Z + Return. Can that be standardized to Ctrl-D everywhere?)
I don't think consistency should go that far. Consistency inside the
platform is m
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 10:05:16AM -0700, João Matos wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> It doesn't work in Windows.
What is "it"? Are you talking about Ctrl-L to clear the screen?
Perhaps we should start by adding Ctrl-L as a standard way to clear the
Python REPL, in the same way that Ctrl-C is the standa
Hello,
It doesn't work in Windows.
Best regards,
JM
terça-feira, 27 de Setembro de 2016 às 16:40:42 UTC+1, Dennis Brakhane via
Python-ideas escreveu:
> I don't know if it works on Windows, but at least in Linux pressing
> Ctrl-L will do exactly what you describe (as long as the REPL uses
I don't know if it works on Windows, but at least in Linux pressing
Ctrl-L will do exactly what you describe (as long as the REPL uses readline)
On 17.09.2016 12:51, João Matos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to suggest adding a clear command (not function) to Python.
> It's simple purpose would
Terry Reedy wrote:
In the default
mode with user code executed in a separate no-window process, there is
currently no way for the child process to know the current size of
Shell's tk text window in the parent process.
On unix it should be possible to let the child know if it's
connected throu
On 9/20/2016 9:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 06:18:38AM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 9/19/2016 4:31 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
shutil.get_terminal_size() is available on all platforms.
On windows, it works with Command Prompt and PowerShell but fails in
IDLE, as it must.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 06:18:38AM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 9/19/2016 4:31 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
>
> >shutil.get_terminal_size() is available on all platforms.
>
> On windows, it works with Command Prompt and PowerShell but fails in
> IDLE, as it must.
Why "must" it fail?
What is it abou
+1 for this. I regularly miss this feature.
Le 17/09/2016 à 13:12, João Matos a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> In other interpreted programming languages the clear screen command
> (whatever it is) also does not clear the session.
> It just clears the screen clutter.
>
> As I said, this would be very usef
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> There
> have been occasional deviations from this (for example, the "as" in
> "import foo as bar" was, for a time, only a keyword in that specific
> context) but I don't believe any of them survived long-term.
async and await are similarly cont
On 20 September 2016 at 08:57, אלעזר wrote:
> This is since in Python there are no contextual keywords (like "override"
> and "final" in C++). I remember encountering error in a Django project where
> accessing u.pass was a syntax error, but there *was* a field "pass" in u and
> they had to resort
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:56 AM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:35:53PM -0700, João Matos wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I don't see why creating a clear command would interfere with
> dict.clear()
> > which is a function/method.
>
> For the same reason that you can't have a method
Hello,
You are correct.
Thanks for the explanation.
Best regards,
JM
terça-feira, 20 de Setembro de 2016 às 02:56:57 UTC+1, Steven D'Aprano
escreveu:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:35:53PM -0700, João Matos wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I don't see why creating a clear command would interfere w
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:35:53PM -0700, João Matos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I don't see why creating a clear command would interfere with dict.clear()
> which is a function/method.
For the same reason that you can't have a method called foo.while or
foo.if or foo.raise. If clear is a "command" (a
On 19 September 2016 at 21:35, João Matos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I don't see why creating a clear command would interfere with dict.clear()
> which is a function/method.
>
> Although my first idea was a clear command, I have no problem if it is a
> clear() function from site.py.
>
> I didn't suggest
Hello,
I don't see why creating a clear command would interfere with dict.clear()
which is a function/method.
Although my first idea was a clear command, I have no problem if it is a
clear() function from site.py.
I didn't suggest cls because it is normally used to mean class.
I use Windows a
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>[Ctrl+D] also recognized as EOF only at the start of an input.
You're right. I was mixing it up with sys.stdin.buffer.raw.read(), for
which Ctrl+D can end the read anywhere if entered twice. Having to
enter it twice may be a bug, because
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:45 AM, eryk sun wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
>> By the way - if you're on a system with readline support included with
>> Python, GNU readline apparently has a binding for clear-screen
>> (CTRL-L) so you may well have this functionality alr
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 02:45:53PM +, eryk sun wrote:
> The pInputControl parameter can also be used to implement Unix-style
> Ctrl+D to end a read anywhere on a line, whereas the classic
> [Ctrl+Z][Enter] has to be entered at the start of a line.
[Ctrl+D] also recognized as EOF only at th
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> By the way - if you're on a system with readline support included with
> Python, GNU readline apparently has a binding for clear-screen
> (CTRL-L) so you may well have this functionality already (I don;'t use
> Unix or readline, so I can't comme
On 19 September 2016 at 13:10, Paul Moore wrote:
>
> For this particular suggestion, though, I don't think that's the case.
> I think it's going to either be something that's accepted into the
> stdlib, or something that's rejected as too platform-specific or messy
> to standardise, and people sho
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 06:38:00PM +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> Sounds good to me. This is definitely sounding complicated and messy
>> enough to justify (a) writing a function to clear the screen, and (b)
>> testing that function thor
On 19 September 2016 at 12:56, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> For relatively small pieces of functionality, if it is useful enough, we
> should just add it to the std lib, and if it isn't, we should just say
> it isn't useful enough. We shouldn't condemn supporters of the idea to
> this false hope tha
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 06:38:00PM +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Sounds good to me. This is definitely sounding complicated and messy
> enough to justify (a) writing a function to clear the screen, and (b)
> testing that function thoroughly as a PyPI module before pushing
> anything into the stdl
On 9/19/2016 4:31 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
shutil.get_terminal_size() is available on all platforms.
On windows, it works with Command Prompt and PowerShell but fails in
IDLE, as it must. In the absence of knowledge, it guesses the default
of 80 x 24 (as documented). AFAIK, there is no way wh
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> On 19 September 2016 at 03:40, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> (The fallback if all else fails is easy: get the height of the terminal,
>>> in lines, and print that many blank lines.)
>
On 19 September 2016 at 03:40, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> (The fallback if all else fails is easy: get the height of the terminal,
>> in lines, and print that many blank lines.)
>
> Assuming you can get the height in lines. Have you tried t
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
> > (The fallback if all else fails is easy: get the height of the terminal,
> > in lines, and print that many blank lines.)
>
> Assuming you can get the height in lines. Have you tried that in the
> defau
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> (The fallback if all else fails is easy: get the height of the terminal,
> in lines, and print that many blank lines.)
Assuming you can get the height in lines. Have you tried that in the
default Windows shell? I don't think tcgetattr wor
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:51:16AM +0100, João Matos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to suggest adding a clear command (not function) to Python.
While technically "clear" could be a command, I think it should not be.
First off, making clear a reserved keyword, and a statement, like print
in Py
On 9/17/2016 6:51 AM, João Matos wrote:
Hello,
I would like to suggest adding a clear command (not function) to Python.
It's simple purpose would be to clear the REPL screen, leaving the >>>
prompt at the top left of the screen.
This is something very basic but also very useful for newbies lear
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Wes Turner wrote:
> !cls #windows
cmd's built-in cls command doesn't clear just the screen, like a VT100
\x1b[1J. It clears the console's entire scrollback buffer. Unix
`clear` may also work like that. With GNOME Terminal in Linux, `clear`
leaves a single screen
Hello,
I searched and found several possible solutions to clear the screen in
the CPython REPL, but all are, in my opinion, complex for a newbie.
The existence of a clear command would be a simple and obvious,
therefore accessible to newbies.
Best regards,
JM
On 17-09-2016 14:34, eryk sun
Hello,
I know about those IPython commands and I searched and found several
possible solutions to clear the screen in the CPython REPL, but all are,
in my opinion, complex for a newbie.
The existence of a clear command would be simple and obvious, therefore
accessible to newbies.
Best regar
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:11 AM, João Matos wrote:
>On 17-09-2016 12:07, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>>
>> Pressing [Ctrl]+[L] works for me.
>
> Doesn't work on Windows.
Windows 10 added VT100 support to the console, so you can create a
little cls() function to clear the screen:
cls = lambda:
With IPython, there are a number of ways to reset the terminal display:
clear # %clear
!cls #windows
!reset
- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6892191/clearing-the-screen-in-ipython
- Ctrl-L is a readline binding
-
http://pythonhosted.org/pyreadline/usage.html#pyreadline-with-python-
Hello,
In other interpreted programming languages the clear screen command
(whatever it is) also does not clear the session.
It just clears the screen clutter.
As I said, this would be very useful for newbies, which don't know
anything about usercustomize or sitecustomize.
Best regards,
J
Hello,
Doesn't work on Windows.
Best regards,
JM
On 17-09-2016 12:07, Oleg Broytman wrote:
Hi!
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:51:16AM +0100, Jo??o Matos
wrote:
Hello,
I would like to suggest adding a clear command (not function) to Python.
Pressing [Ctrl]+[L] works for me.
Best rega
Hi!
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:51:16AM +0100, Jo??o Matos
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to suggest adding a clear command (not function) to Python.
Pressing [Ctrl]+[L] works for me.
> Best regards,
> JM
Oleg.
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On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:51 PM, João Matos wrote:
> I would like to suggest adding a clear command (not function) to Python.
> It's simple purpose would be to clear the REPL screen, leaving the >>>
> prompt at the top left of the screen.
>
> This is something very basic but also very useful for n
Hello,
I would like to suggest adding a clear command (not function) to Python.
It's simple purpose would be to clear the REPL screen, leaving the >>>
prompt at the top left of the screen.
This is something very basic but also very useful for newbies learning
Python from the REPL.
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