Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Nick Timkovich wrote: > I think part of the reason that logging appears complicated is because > logging actually is complicated. In the myriad different contexts a Python > program runs (daemon, command line tool, interactively), the

Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

I think part of the reason that logging appears complicated is because logging actually is complicated. In the myriad different contexts a Python program runs (daemon, command line tool, interactively), the logging output should be going to all sorts of different places. Thus was born handlers. If

Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

This can be accomplished as a decorator. Jim Crist wrote a version of this using the codetransformer library. The usage is pretty simple: @trace() def sum_word_lengths(words): total = 0 for w in words: word_length = len(w) total += word_length return total >>>

Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

Steve Barnes wrote: I would suggest, however, that if this feature is introduced it be controlled via a run-time switch &/or environment variable which defaults to off. I disagreew with defaulting it to off. That would encourage lazy developers to distribute library code full of #l lines, so

Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:44:55AM +0100, St??fane Fermigier wrote: > 1. I too dislikes the idea of using comments as semantically significant > annotations. > > I think it's quite OK for annotation that are aimed at external tools (e.g. > '# nocover' or '# noqa') but not

Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

This strikes me as something a debugger should do, rather than the regular interpreter. And using comment-based syntax means that they would get ignored by the regular interpreter— which is exactly what you want. As for a decoration approach— that wouldn’t let you do anything on a line by line

Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

Some thoughts: 1. I too dislikes the idea of using comments as semantically significant annotations. I think it's quite OK for annotation that are aimed at external tools (e.g. '# nocover' or '# noqa') but not for runtime behavior. 2. It's probably possible do do interesting things using

Re: [Python-ideas] Non-intrusive debug logging

On 24/01/2018 23:25, Larry Yaeger wrote: > Everyone uses logging during code development to help in debugging. Whether > using a logging module or plain old print statements, this usually requires > introducing one or (many) more lines of code into the model being worked on, > making the