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Leipzig Python User Group
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Next Meeting Tuesday, November 14, 2006
We will meet on November 14 at 8:00 pm at the training center
of Python Academy in Leipzig, Germany
In working with the graphic designer we've hired for PyCon 2007, we'd like to
add some diversity to the typical conference photos. We want a new photo
montage similar to the one we've had for many years at the page top at:
http://us.pycon.org/TX2006/HomePage
The graphic designer has gone
Dex Tracker .007 is now available. Dex Tracker is a tracker csound
front end. Now Includes .sco editor and live help where you can just
click and ask your questions on a google group. Included with Dex
Tracker is csound routines a bunch or routines to manipulate csound
files written in python.
George Sakkis wrote:
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
John Reese wrote:
It seems like it would be clear and mostly backwards compatible if the
+ operator on any iterables created a new iterable that iterated
throught first its left operand and then its right, in the style of
itertools.chain.
Bugra Cakir wrote:
Hi,
Within a Python program how can we avoid getting MemoryError problem ?
Well that depends why you are getting it in the first place.
If you can post the traceback your program prints out then you might get
some specific advice for the current case. The usual advice
All,
I've tried the jythonc compiler to try and create an applet to see how
it works, but I get a number of Java compile errors that are way above
my knowledge. Does anyone know what any of the following means? I'm
using JDK 1.5.0_09, under Win XP SP2.
Runnnig the file jython FILENAME works, so
martdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jerry wrote:
I am not a Python guru by any means, but I believe that when an
application says that you can script their application with Python,
it means that you can actually write Python code to interact with the
Peter Maas wrote:
The Python FAQ 1.4.5 gives 3 reasons for explicit self (condensed version):
1. Instance variables can be easily distinguished from local variables.
2. A method from a particular class can be called as
baseclass.methodname(self, argument list).
3. No need for
Hi,
The following piece of code works properly when my proxy password
contains characters[a-zA-Z0-9] etc. But when my proxy password
contained something like '|\/|' , the httplib incorrectly indentified
it as separator. How do I resolve this issue.
code
# Proxy Address
PROXY_IP = 1.1.9.8:80
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
George Sakkis wrote:
The base object class would be one candidate, similarly to the way
__nonzero__ is defined to use __len__, or __contains__ to use __iter__.
Alternatively, iter() could be a wrapper type (or perhaps mixin)
instead of a function, something like:
Phoe6 wrote:
Hi,
The following piece of code works properly when my proxy password
contains characters[a-zA-Z0-9] etc. But when my proxy password
contained something like '|\/|' , the httplib incorrectly indentified
it as separator.
if you want to prevent the URI parser from treating
Haakon Riiser wrote:
[Fredrik Lundh]
Haakon Riiser wrote:
Yes, and it doesn't help.
then the server is mostly likely broken beyond repair.
It's not in my power to upgrade the server, unfortunately.
Guess I'll have to use Perl.
to see if this really is the problem, you could try
Doug wrote:
[...]
The explicit self is there simply because OOP was tacked onto python as
an afterthought.
No, it was added in such a way that Python would be useful as a
procedural as well as an OO language.
I don't know what's got into me.
can't-normally-say-boo-to-a-goose-ly y'rs - steve
Dear all,
I am looking for a data structure to hold rectangles in a 2d space.
Please point me to any module which does these operations:
Insert a rectangle into a particular co-ordinate.
Get the rectangle/s right/left/above/below side to a particular
rectangle.
Get all the rectangles within a
Dustan wrote:
Alright, I can see I'm a bit outvoted here. I tried your suggestions
and it worked fine.
I'll also try to consider in the future that part of the problem might
be lack of information conveyed on my part.
Well, since such honest and public self-examination is so rarely seen
If you are looking for an example of jython there is one in embeded in
csound blue. available from the csounds.com website I believe. I have
used it under the new java framework. I am not far enough along to
know if you are missing brackets {} exc and () and one ; but you can
try getting the
Dustan wrote:
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Dustan wrote:
[...]
Repeat after me:
Not everything has to be a one-liner.
Not everything has to be a one-liner. But readability helps.
Indeed. And there is absolutely no conflict between those two statements.
Guido resisted introducing tertiary
Michael B. Trausch wrote:
Is there a way to use Decimal() by default in Python instead of float?
No. You'll just have to be explicit.
regards
Steve
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Paddy wrote:
Dustan wrote:
Anyway, I figured out a way to get the builtin
function 'sum' to work as I need:
sum([[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]], [])
Hah!
No-one expects sum to be used on anything but numbers.
Except lists as above.
No-one expects sum to be used on anything but numbers,
There are probily better ways to do this. The pil library has a
rectangle drawing feature, I would check through the docs of wxwindows
and tkinter unless this is homework because the pil people will not let
you distribute pils. I am going to be looking for the same think let
me know if you get a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are looking for an example of jython there is one in embeded in
csound blue. available from the csounds.com website I believe. I have
used it under the new java framework. I am not far enough along to
know if you are missing brackets {} exc and () and one ;
Neal Becker wrote:
[...]
A quick strace reveals that 'route' just reads /proc/net/route, so:
C:\Stevetype /proc/net/route
The syntax of the command is incorrect.
C:\Stevetype \proc\net\route
The system cannot find the path specified.
Python, but not platform dependent :-)
It would be nice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
unless this is homework because the pil people will not let
you distribute pils.
I'm not sure I can parse this sentence fragment. What do you mean?
/F
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Steve Holden wrote:
In actual fact when Alex Martelli introduced sum() he intended it to be
polymorphic over all the container types including strings. The check to
exclude the string case was added when it was determined that it was
terribly inefficient to concatenate strings that way.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am looking for a data structure to hold rectangles in a 2d space.
Please point me to any module which does these operations:
Insert a rectangle into a particular co-ordinate.
Get the rectangle/s right/left/above/below side to a particular
rectangle.
Get all
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all !
How to remove a logger ?
There si no logging.removeLogger(name) method.
I've a lot of objects that create loging.
When objects are destroyed, associated logger are not. This create
memory leak...
Instead of removing unused loggers, reuse them. Calling
I have a text in ascii. I use the ' for an apostroph. The problem is
this gives problems with the title method. I don't want letters
after a ' to be uppercased. Here are some examples:
argument result expected
't smidje 'T Smidje 't Smidje
na'ama
Jorge Vargas wrote:
On 9 Nov 2006 18:09:37 -0800, John Machin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jorge Vargas wrote:
On 9 Nov 2006 16:44:40 -0800, gavino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
both are interpreted oo langauges..
that is not correct java is compiled and the VM interprets the code
...
Georg Brandl wrote:
What has a better chance of success in my eyes is an extension to yield
all items from an iterable without using an explicit for loop: instead of
for item in iterable:
yield item
you could write
yield from iterable
or
yield *iterable
Since this is nothing but
John Machin wrote:
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
Gabriel Genellina wrote:
At Wednesday 8/11/2006 22:29, zeal elite wrote:
I am looking for substring search python program without using the
built in funtions like find, or 'in'.
The only reasonable usage for such a constraint would be a school
I have a multi-threaded python application which uses pexpect to connect to
multiple systems concurrently. Each thread within my application is a
connection to a remote system. The problem is when one of the child
threads runs a command which generates an unlimited amount of output. The
classic
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am looking for a data structure to hold rectangles in a 2d space.
Please point me to any module which does these operations:
Insert a rectangle into a particular co-ordinate.
Get the rectangle/s right/left/above/below side to a
Antoon Pardon wrote:
I have a text in ascii. I use the ' for an apostroph. The problem is
this gives problems with the title method. I don't want letters
after a ' to be uppercased. Here are some examples:
argument result expected
't smidje 'T Smidje 't
Antoon Pardon wrote:
I have a text in ascii. I use the ' for an apostroph. The problem is
this gives problems with the title method. I don't want letters
after a ' to be uppercased. Here are some examples:
argument result expected
't smidje 'T Smidje 't
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
[...]
I suppose it's only a matter of time before someone wants to define
dict.__add__ ...
that's been proposed quite a few times, and always gets stuck when it's
time to define the exact semantics for dealing with collisions. there
are simply
George Sakkis wrote:
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
George Sakkis wrote:
The base object class would be one candidate, similarly to the way
__nonzero__ is defined to use __len__, or __contains__ to use __iter__.
Alternatively, iter() could be a wrapper type (or perhaps mixin)
instead of
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Phoe6 wrote:
Hi,
The following piece of code works properly when my proxy password
contains characters[a-zA-Z0-9] etc. But when my proxy password
contained something like '|\/|' , the httplib incorrectly indentified
it as separator.
if you want to prevent the
Phoe6 wrote:
if you want to prevent the URI parser from treating something as part of
the URI, you need to quote it:
pwd = urllib.quote(pwd, )
Tried this and did not work out. It ended up confusing urllib and
urllib2 objects.
oh, please. urllib.quote is a *function*; there's no way
Adrian Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a multi-threaded python application which uses pexpect to connect to
multiple systems concurrently. Each thread within my application is a
connection to a remote system. The problem is when one of the child
threads runs a command which
I'd like to extend an invitation to those who would like to get involved in
advocating the use of Python. In August, the PSF hired me, for a 6-mo
contract, to coordinate the Python advocacy effort. Since then I've been
working to make the next PyCon one of the best conferences yet, and
Dear List,
I'm trying to figure out, how to change the header of an e-mail that is
accessed by an IMAP object.
There is some code below (not a complete program). The key function is
the filter_mail function. It should move/delete/change/export messages,
based on their header. For exporting
Diez B. Roggisch wote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all !
How to remove a logger ?
There si no logging.removeLogger(name) method.
I've a lot of objects that create loging.
When objects are destroyed, associated logger are not. This create
memory leak...
Instead of removing unused
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Hi Fredrik,
I apologize if I offended you or have shown any
impatience. I shall try again:
oh, please. urllib.quote is a *function*; there's no way that calling that
function
from code written for urllib2 will affect anything.
but you can access
Phoe6 wrote:
- use urllib.quote() to covert the proxy url to a quoted one.
you should use quote to convert the *password* to quoted form, not use it on
the entire URL.
/F
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Phoe6 wrote:
- use urllib.quote() to covert the proxy url to a quoted one.
you should use quote to convert the *password* to quoted form, not use it on
the entire URL.
Am sorry Fred. The same problem:
File C:\Python24\lib\httplib.py, line 598, in _set_hostport
On 12 Nov 2006 23:50:40 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all !
How to remove a logger ?
There si no logging.removeLogger(name) method.
I've a lot of objects that create loging.
why you need a logger per object? IMO 1 per package is more then enough.
When objects are
I've seen a few posts, columns and articles which state that one of the
advantages of Python is that code can be developed x times faster than
languages such as Insert popular language name here.
Does anyone have any comments on that statement from personal
experience?
How is this comparison
ok then they are the same lets all go back to write java
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[Steve Holden]
It really does seem quite bizarre that a server should respond
differently to the same TCP request when it is split differently into IP
datagrams.
There really is nothing wrong (from a standards point of view) with
sending FIN with your last data segment. FIN means I
Chris Brat wrote:
I've seen a few posts, columns and articles which state that one of the
advantages of Python is that code can be developed x times faster than
languages such as Insert popular language name here.
Does anyone have any comments on that statement from personal
experience?
Phoe6 wrote:
Am sorry Fred. The same problem:
File C:\Python24\lib\httplib.py, line 598, in _set_hostport
raise InvalidURL(nonnumeric port: '%s' % host[i+1:])
httplib.InvalidURL: nonnumeric port: '|\'
I dont think its an issue to be resolved with quote().
can you post the code you're
Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Especially since there is a comefrom G
*breaks into song* : Oh Susannah, now don't you cry for me...
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On 11/11/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
blue is red or green or yellow
*grin* - this can be construed as a weakness in Python -
it's boolean logic, and it's incompatible with human use of the same
terms in all contexts, not just Python.
Indeed.
That's a good idea but object name change (necessity).
So what? You can log the name, but you don't need a logger with that name
for that!
Diez
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Chris Brat wrote:
I've seen a few posts, columns and articles which state that one of the
advantages of Python is that code can be developed x times faster than
languages such as Insert popular language name here.
Does anyone have any comments on that statement from personal
experience?
On 12 Nov., 00:14, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you care about writing robust code, why not just use a for-loop,
and the list extend method?
/F
Because generic solutions using HOFs increase abstraction and reduce()
the amount of code one has to write even when they are outcasted
I work full time with Java, but downloaded python about a year ago and
started playing.
I've used it quite a few times in my working environment.
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I am trying to understand why, with nonwestern strings, I sometimes get
a hex display and sometimes get the string printed as characters.
With my Python locale set to Japanese and with or without a # coding of
cp932 (this is Windows) at the top of the file, I read a list of
Japanese strings into
JKPeck wrote:
I am trying to understand why, with nonwestern strings, I sometimes get
a hex display and sometimes get the string printed as characters.
With my Python locale set to Japanese and with or without a # coding of
cp932 (this is Windows) at the top of the file, I read a list of
Beliavsky wrote:
A Parade of New Features Debuts in Python 2.5
by Gigi Sayfan
Python 2.5 still has the smell of fresh paint but it's the perfect
time to drill down on the most important new features in this
comprehensive release. Read on for detailed explanations and examples
of exception
Is there any module can easy embed the BitTorrent(both tracker and
client) in myself's program .
Or where can find the documents for reuse official BitTorrent .
Thanks.
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Thanks for the quick answer. I thought repr was involved here, but
when I use repr explicitly I get a notation where the backslashes are
escaped. I also though that with the encoding explictily declared in
the source, that repr would take that into account and use the
character form, but
Carl Banks wrote:
George Sakkis wrote:
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
George Sakkis wrote:
The base object class would be one candidate, similarly to the way
__nonzero__ is defined to use __len__, or __contains__ to use __iter__.
Alternatively, iter() could be a wrapper type (or
You idiot. Putting the word official in front of something doesn't
mean it can't be FUD. Especially when it is written by people such as
yourself. Have you not paid attention to anything happening in
politics around the world during your lifetime?
Ridiculous boo-llshit!
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Hi,
I have installed Fnorb and everything seems to have gone ok. However I
keep getting the error message below. This is despite the fact that the
MS CL c++ preprocessor seems to be in PATH. I can type cl and
although I get nothing back in the DOS window, there is also no error
message.
Chris Brat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've seen a few posts, columns and articles which state that one of the
advantages of Python is that code can be developed x times faster than
languages such as Insert popular language name here.
Does anyone have any comments on that statement from
Chris Brat wrote:
I've seen a few posts, columns and articles which state that one of the
advantages of Python is that code can be developed x times faster than
languages such as Insert popular language name here.
Does anyone have any comments on that statement from personal
experience?
I
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
can you post the code you're using to build the URI ?
Okay. This piece of code fetches a page from a particular site. As I am
behind a firewall, I have to communicate through a proxy.
# Set the Proxy Address
PROXY_IP = 10.1.9.4:80
# Trying with linear way
proxy_user =
Jorge Vargas wrote:
ok then they are the same lets all go back to write java
No, thanks... I'll keep my snake !-)
And actually, I'm afraid I somewhat misunderstood your previous post - I
took it as meaning Python has a REPL and you don't have to explicitelly
call the compiler so Python is
Phoe6 wrote:
proxy_password = urllib.quote(proxy_password_orig)
make that:
proxy_password = urllib.quote(proxy_password_orig, )
/F
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Steven Bethard wrote:
A simple example from document indexing. Using Java Lucene to index
some documents, you'd write code something like::
Analyzer analyzer = new StandardAnalyzer()
IndexWriter writer = new IndexWriter(store_dir, analyzer, true)
for (Value value: values) {
rodmc wrote:
Hi,
I have installed Fnorb and everything seems to have gone ok. However I
keep getting the error message below. This is despite the fact that the
MS CL c++ preprocessor seems to be in PATH. I can type cl and
although I get nothing back in the DOS window, there is also no
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
urllib.quote
function quote at 0x00F430F0
urllib2.quote
function quote at 0x00F430F0
urllib.quote
function quote at 0x41cb9d84
urllib2.quote
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute
Oh, the memories... I went down the same road about two years ago,
though I didn't know about PyLucene at the time and wrapped in jython
the parts of Lucene I used... never bothered to deal with java's
verbosity after that. It's a pity that jython resembles abandon-ware
these days, when jRuby
QOTW: It is humbling to see how simple yet powerfull python`s view on
things is - Ãric Daigneault
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/bbd842715bb5b6eb
[I]f a machine is expected to be infallible, it cannot also be
intelligent. - Alan Turing, 20 February 1947, lecture to
JKPeck wrote:
Thanks for the quick answer. I thought repr was involved here, but
when I use repr explicitly I get a notation where the backslashes are
escaped. I also though that with the encoding explictily declared in
the source, that repr would take that into account and use the
Here is what i want to do. I have a question in my program, and i want
to do tab completion for the valid answers.
Say i have :
--snip--
validanswers = [ 'yes', 'no', 'maybe', 'tuesday', 'never' ]
#and i ask
sys.stdout.write(Answer the Question: )
answer = sys.stdin.readline().rstrip()
if
I used omniorb, and have been very satisfied with it. You might consider
switching.
Diez
Thanks, I have just downloaded that plus omniORBpy as well. I have the
binary version of omniORB but need to build omniORBpy, from what I can
see the build process is aimed at GCC and not VC++. Anyway I
Carl Banks wrote:
Georg Brandl wrote:
What has a better chance of success in my eyes is an extension to yield
all items from an iterable without using an explicit for loop: instead of
for item in iterable:
yield item
you could write
yield from iterable
or
yield *iterable
Alan Isaac wrote:
Also, as an aside, no one objected to using
self.__dict__.update(kwargs)
in the __init__ function of the parameter holding class.
It is a common trick, also shown in the Python cookbook, IIRC. If you
are anal about
double underscores, you can also use
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:16:37 +0100, rodmc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
I have installed Fnorb and everything seems to have gone ok. However I
keep getting the error message below. This is despite the fact that the
MS CL c++ preprocessor seems to be in PATH. I can type cl and
although I
Hello,
I am trying the Python Cryptography Toolkit, but I didnt succeed, maybe
I am not used to technical programming docs.
WHat I succeed, using the the AES example to encrypt and decrypt.
How Can I change it to use elliptic curves cryptography?
Anyone has a working example, in python to use
On 11/13/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose that in his view, language advocacy is a zero-sum game, so
positive comments about Python can be considered as FUD against his own
project. He's even invented his own del.icio.us tag for this purpose:
sturlamolden wrote:
There is a whole generation of computer users out there scared stiff of
using the keyboard. Soon, computers will not have a keyboard at all.
The trend is perhaps more pronounced among managers not writing code
themselves, but taking decisions about which tools to use.
Is
Simon Brunning a écrit :
On 11/13/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose that in his view, language advocacy is a zero-sum game, so
positive comments about Python can be considered as FUD against his own
project. He's even invented his own del.icio.us tag for this purpose:
Hello List,
I would like to make a singleton class in python 2.4.3, I found this
pattern in the web:
class Singleton:
__single = None
def __init__( self ):
if Singleton.__single:
raise Singleton.__single
Singleton.__single = self
the line raise
Chris Brat schrieb:
I've seen a few posts, columns and articles which state that one of the
advantages of Python is that code can be developed x times faster than
languages such as Insert popular language name here.
Does anyone have any comments on that statement from personal
experience?
Hi,
I'm planning to learn a language for 'client' software. Until now, i
'speak' only some web based languages, like php. As a kid i programmed
in Basic (CP/M, good old days :'-) ) Now i want to start to learn a
(for me) new computer language.
I like Python. Its free, easy to learn and some
One thing I really like, is making prototypes on python.
Just to test some algorithm or procedure.
It is very fast and easy to debug.
So after, I make it in c++ (but not too much often, I leave it in
python today.)
Chris Brat wrote:
I've seen a few posts, columns and articles which state that
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:18:55 -0600, Michael Hobbs wrote:
Ron Adam wrote:
It is also an outline form that frequently used in written languages.
Something
python tries to do, is to be readable as if it were written in plain
language
where it is practical
ResearchMaster has been designed to simplify management of research
literature. It is a GUI interface to a system of folders and records.
Each record contains notes, meta info and BibTex info about an
associated file. Instances of the single copy of a record can occur
throughout the folder
Diez B. Roggisch wrote
I wouldn't consider jython abandonware. It is under active development, and
I'm using a 2.2 alpha successful for quite a while now - which usually
serves my needs.
The problem is/was that new-style classes were a major hurdle to take, and
this now seems to be
dischdennis wrote:
Hello List,
I would like to make a singleton class in python 2.4.3, I found this
pattern in the web:
class Singleton:
__single = None
def __init__( self ):
if Singleton.__single:
raise Singleton.__single
Singleton.__single = self
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:34 +0100, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Honestly, how many important Python modules do still run on 2.2?
InformixDB still compiles on 2.2 except when I accidentally temporarily
break backwards compatibility.
Of course it's a matter of opinion whether it qualifies as an important
It seemed to me that this sentence
For many types, this function makes an attempt to return a string that
would yield an object with the same value when passed to eval().
might mean that the encoding setting of the source file might influence
how repr represented the contents of the string.
Carsten Haese wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:34 +0100, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Honestly, how many important Python modules do still run on 2.2?
InformixDB still compiles on 2.2 except when I accidentally temporarily
break backwards compatibility.
Of course it's a matter of opinion whether
dischdennis wrote:
the line raise Singleton.__single invokes in my class the following
error:
exceptions must be classes, instances, or strings (deprecated), not
PurchaseRequisitionController
Denis,
Jason's explanation is correct! You are trying to use the Singleton
instance as the
Hi, Group.
I'm not a Python programmer so this question may be really basic or
stupid. :) I have some code that sends a simple request to an
end-point and reads the response. That works just fine. When I put
the code in a for loop though I get httplib.ResponseNotReady error
message. It seems
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
lennart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm planning to learn a language for 'client' software. Until now, i
'speak' only some web based languages, like php. As a kid i programmed
in Basic (CP/M, good old days :'-) ) Now i want to start to learn a
(for me) new computer
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
John Salerno wrote:
Anyway, the FAQ answer seems to be a weak argument to me.
I agree. I was expecting something more technical to justify the
colon, not just that it looks better.
yeah, the whole idea of treating programming languages as an interface
between
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