London Python Meetup, Tuesday May the 6th

2008-04-15 Thread Simon Brunning
It's doubly good time for a Python meet-up. Firstly, Django's Jacob Kaplan-Moss is in town. If I can coax him into speaking, I will. Secondly, what with the release of the Google App Engine, I expect a big increase in interest in Python in general. Details here: http://tinyurl.com/3snu66 --

ANN: PyAMF 0.3

2008-04-15 Thread Thijs Triemstra | Collab
We're pleased to announce PyAMF 0.3, a lightweight library that allows Flash and Python applications to communicate via Adobe's ActionScript Message Format. AMF3 and RemoteObject are supported in all the implemented Remoting gateways, compatible with Django, Twisted, TurboGears2, Web2Py and

March meeting minutes available

2008-04-15 Thread David Goodger
The following minutes were approved at a meeting of the PSF Board of Directors on April 14, 2008: * PSF Board meeting, March 10, 2008: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2008-03-10/ * PSF Members' Meeting, March 14, 2008: http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/2008-03-14/ *

Re: a name error

2008-04-15 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 13:54 +0800, Penny Y. wrote: import urllib2,sys try: r=urllib2.urlopen(http://un-know-n.com/;) except URLError,e: print str(e) sys.exit(1) print r.info() But got the errors: Traceback (most recent call last): File t1.py, line 4, in ?

Re: a name error

2008-04-15 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:54:43 -0300, Penny Y. [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: import urllib2,sys try: r=urllib2.urlopen(http://un-know-n.com/;) except URLError,e: print str(e) sys.exit(1) print r.info() But got the errors: Traceback (most recent call last): File t1.py, line

Re: pgdb: Debugging Python extensions made easier

2008-04-15 Thread SteveD
They are not insurmontable problems. But you will still see things like this: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/66510 The point being that with a newish GDB (the current mingw GDB is still 5.x) there's no need for such tedious tricks, since it handles pending breakpoints

Re: pgdb: Debugging Python extensions made easier

2008-04-15 Thread Paul Rubin
SteveD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The point being that with a newish GDB (the current mingw GDB I think I was using an older gdb, but under linux, so it's possible that under mingw there are or were different issues. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The magic happens when the descriptor is found in the *class*, not in the instance. I think it's detailed in Hettinger's document. The document is wrong here: Alternatively, it is more common for a descriptor to be invoked automatically upon

Re: How to make a command line basd interactive program?

2008-04-15 Thread Paddy
On Apr 15, 6:35 am, Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's great, a custom shell is what I need. Thanks all Evan And for the quick-n-dirty there is: python -i yourscript.py Which runs your script then drops you into the interpreter. - Paddy. --

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Bob Martin
in 342436 20080414 160208 =?UTF-8?B?R3J6ZWdvcnogU8WCb2Rrb3dpY3o=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I was hoping to get some opinions on a subject. I've been programming Python for almost two years now. Recently I learned Perl, but frankly I'm not very comfortable with it. Now I want to move on

How to import C++ static library?

2008-04-15 Thread Alexander Dong Back Kim
Hi all, I'm very very beginner of python but I'm dare to ask this question straight away. =P Is it possible to import C++ static library compiled by GCC? The target is definitely Linux machine. I found some examples from Google showing the way C++ can import Python so called embedded python.

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
andrew cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is my first attempt at new classes and dynamic python, so I am probably doing something very stupid... After reading the how-to for descriptors at http://users.rcn.com/python/download/Descriptor.htm I decided I would make an object that returns

Re: Cannot understand the detailedly the following code

2008-04-15 Thread reachmsn
On Apr 11, 10:27 am, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:57:29 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: i.e. you give, the graph, the start and end vertices as inputs and you get the output as a listing of all the paths. This is where I got to. It would be very nice

Re: Cannot understand the detailedly the following code

2008-04-15 Thread reachmsn
On Apr 11, 10:27 am, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to understand how recursion works, or how you can actually   construct a recursive function step by step, see this excellent post by   Neil Cerutti:

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Paul Anton Letnes
Brian: Impressive! This is the most balanced, well-informed and interesting reply to this debate. I would like to make some comments even so. I have tried all languages, and consider myself agnostic. However, I would like to roughly repeat what James Gosling (Java inventor) said at a

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
andrew cooke a écrit : Hi, This is my first attempt at new classes and dynamic python, so I am probably doing something very stupid... After reading the how-to for descriptors at http://users.rcn.com/python/download/Descriptor.htm I decided I would make an object that returns attributes on

[ANN] Data Plotting Library DISLIN 9.3

2008-04-15 Thread Helmut Michels
Dear Python users, I am pleased to announce version 9.3 of the data plotting software DISLIN. DISLIN is a high-level and easy to use plotting library for displaying data as curves, bar graphs, pie charts, 3D-colour plots, surfaces, contours and maps. Several output formats are supported such as

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Hrvoje Niksic a écrit : (snip) As others explained, descriptors are called for descriptors found in class attributes, not in ones in instance attributes. (snip) However, if you know what you're doing, you can simply customize your class's __getattribute__ to do what *you* want for your

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread andrew cooke
On Apr 15, 4:06 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The canonical solution is to use a custom descriptor instead of a property: class Field(object): def __init__(self, name, onchange): self.name = name self.onchange = onchange def __get__(self,

Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread Thomas Dybdahl Ahle
On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 03:14 -0700, bdsatish wrote: The built-in function round( ) will always round up, that is 1.5 is rounded to 2.0 and 2.5 is rounded to 3.0. If I want to round to the nearest even, that is my_round(1.5) = 2# As expected my_round(2.5) = 2# Not 3, which

Req. Designation - Jr. Software Engineer(QA)

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Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread Chris
On Apr 15, 11:22 am, Sjoerd Mullender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Dybdahl Ahle wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 03:14 -0700, bdsatish wrote: The built-in function round( ) will always round up, that is 1.5 is rounded to 2.0 and 2.5 is rounded to 3.0. If I want to round to the nearest

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread andrew cooke
ignore that - i was mistaken (my test was too complex). the problem seems to be that the attribute is deleted even though __delete__ is defined. i'll look at it tomorrow. thanks again, andrew On Apr 15, 4:50 am, andrew cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i tried code very similar after reading

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread andrew cooke
OK, fixed my bug - it does work. Now sleep... Thanks again, Andrew -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread Sjoerd Mullender
Thomas Dybdahl Ahle wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 03:14 -0700, bdsatish wrote: The built-in function round( ) will always round up, that is 1.5 is rounded to 2.0 and 2.5 is rounded to 3.0. If I want to round to the nearest even, that is my_round(1.5) = 2# As expected my_round(2.5) =

Re: How to import C++ static library?

2008-04-15 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Alexander Dong Back Kim wrote: Hi all, I'm very very beginner of python but I'm dare to ask this question straight away. =P Is it possible to import C++ static library compiled by GCC? The target is definitely Linux machine. I found some examples from Google showing the way C++ can

Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread Duncan Booth
Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even is closer to even.75 than even+1.25. Why should it be rounded up ? Because the OP wants to round values to the nearest integer. Only values of the form 'x.5' which have two nearest values use 'nearest even' to disambiguate the result. See

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
andrew cooke a écrit : On Apr 15, 4:06 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The canonical solution is to use a custom descriptor instead of a property: (snip code) i tried code very similar after reading the first replies and found that it did not work as expected on

Re: How to import C++ static library?

2008-04-15 Thread Paul Anton Letnes
Den 15. april. 2008 kl. 11.11 skrev Diez B. Roggisch: Alexander Dong Back Kim wrote: Hi all, I'm very very beginner of python but I'm dare to ask this question straight away. =P Is it possible to import C++ static library compiled by GCC? The target is definitely Linux machine. I

Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread colas . francis
On 14 avr, 20:02, Thomas Dybdahl Ahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 03:14 -0700, bdsatish wrote: The built-in function round( ) will always round up, that is 1.5 is rounded to 2.0 and 2.5 is rounded to 3.0. If I want to round to the nearest even, that is my_round(1.5) =

Re: 答复: 有中国人乎?

2008-04-15 Thread tinnews
Penny Y. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -邮件原件- 发件人: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 代表 Steve Holden 发送时间: 2008年4月15日 2:17 收件人: python-list@python.org 主题: Re: 有中国人乎? Since what I entered in English was something like Yes, Python has a future. But it will take some study.

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if you know what you're doing, you can simply customize your class's __getattribute__ to do what *you* want for your objects. op But bear in mind that, beside possible unwanted side-effectn, you'll get a non-negligible performance hit -

Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread Chris
On Apr 15, 12:33 pm, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 15, 11:47 am, Duncan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even is closer to even.75 than even+1.25.  Why should it be rounded up ? Because the OP wants to round values to the nearest integer. Only

Re: [ANN] Data Plotting Library DISLIN 9.3

2008-04-15 Thread M�ta-MCI (MVP)
Hi, Thanks! I like DISLIN (even if I use it very little). @+ -- Michel Claveau -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread Chris
On Apr 15, 11:47 am, Duncan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even is closer to even.75 than even+1.25.  Why should it be rounded up ? Because the OP wants to round values to the nearest integer. Only values of the form 'x.5' which have two nearest values use

where is pythoncard program ?

2008-04-15 Thread bvidinli
i installed pythoncard, but i could not find how to start it ? where can i find its executable/binary ? or menu item ? or command line that i should enter ? thanks. -- İ.Bahattin Vidinli Elk-Elektronik Müh. --- iletisim bilgileri (Tercih sirasina gore): skype: bvidinli (sesli

Re: Rounding a number to nearest even

2008-04-15 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
On 11 Apr, 21:29, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If the numbers to be rounded come from a measurement, the left column is not just a number but the representant of an interval (as Mikael said, the're quantized). 2.3 means that the measurement was closer to 2.3 than to 2.2 or

Re: where is pythoncard program ?

2008-04-15 Thread Chris
On Apr 15, 1:04 pm, bvidinli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i installed pythoncard, but i could not find how to start it ? where can i find its executable/binary ? or menu item ? or command line that i should  enter ? thanks. -- Ý.Bahattin Vidinli Elk-Elektronik Müh. ---

Re: How to import C++ static library?

2008-04-15 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Diez: I tried SWIG, and it works nicely with C. For C++, I didn't manage to make it work. I tried SIP; I have some problems compiling etc. Would it be too much to ask you to supply a working example of a (simple, stupid) C++ class and the necessary SIP files? Preferably for Mac OS X, but

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Ivan Illarionov
On 15 апр, 07:46, Brian Vanderburg II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] C has the advantage that it does not to anything behind your back. This is very useful especially for any form of system development or where you must know exactly what is going on. It is still possible to do 'object

webcam (usb) access under Ubuntu

2008-04-15 Thread Berco Beute
I've been trying to access my webcam using Python, but I failed miserably. The camera works fine under Ubuntu (using camora and skype), but I am unable to get WebCamSpy or libfg to access my webcam. First I tried webcamspy (http://webcamspy.sourceforge.net/). That requires pySerial and

Re: webcam (usb) access under Ubuntu

2008-04-15 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Berco Beute wrote: I've been trying to access my webcam using Python, but I failed miserably. The camera works fine under Ubuntu (using camora and skype), but I am unable to get WebCamSpy or libfg to access my webcam. First I tried webcamspy (http://webcamspy.sourceforge.net/). That

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Michael Mabin
I'm shocked. I've seen no mention of Smalltalk at all. Which should be soo oobvious! ;) I would take an incremental approach. Learn Java first, since it is still OO, offers a rich set of libraries for just about every task but requires a bit more work. C++ requires that you do more work still

hw to program on python

2008-04-15 Thread ashish
hi , python experts i want some help from u people just mail me how to write scripts for web applications (like form coding for login page, etc). i m waiting for ur reply by have a nice day! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Dynamic use of property() fails

2008-04-15 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Hrvoje Niksic a écrit : Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if you know what you're doing, you can simply customize your class's __getattribute__ to do what *you* want for your objects. op But bear in mind that, beside possible unwanted side-effectn, you'll get a

Re: hw to program on python

2008-04-15 Thread Mike Driscoll
On Apr 15, 7:47 am, ashish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi , python experts i want some help from u people just mail me how to write scripts for web applications (like form coding for login page, etc). i m waiting for ur reply by have a nice day! I suggest you start by going to the Python

Re: hw to program on python

2008-04-15 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
ashish wrote: hi , python experts i want some help from u people just mail me how to write scripts for web applications (like form coding for login page, etc). i m waiting for ur reply by While you are waiting, would a nice back-rub and a good portion of powder sugar gently blown

Re: hw to program on python

2008-04-15 Thread Shane Geiger
ashish, While you are waiting for Diez to arrive, you should check out this Web site: http://www.google.com. It has some interesting content. Perhaps you can find information there that will help you to ask a better question. Here is another page you should look at:

Re: text adventure game problem

2008-04-15 Thread Carl Banks
On Apr 11, 12:08 pm, Neil Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Carl Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2:20 pm, Tommy Nordgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 apr 2008, at 03.01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, I'm having this one problem with a text

PureMVC Python / Google App Engine Demo - Blog

2008-04-15 Thread Cliff Hall
PureMVC is an extremely lightweight MVC framework based upon proven design patterns. Originally written for ActionScript 3 (Flash, Flex, AIR) it has been ported to nearly all major languages and platforms. Here is a simple blog example using the PureMVC Framework for Python:

Re: webcam (usb) access under Ubuntu

2008-04-15 Thread Berco Beute
Thanks, that would be great. While I'm at it I wondering how to display a video preview. Here's someone using VideoCapture (the win32 lib) and PyGame, but I'd rather use a GUI framework and preview/capture videos directly. 2B It has been *ages* since I did this - so take it with a grain of

program to Ping ip addresses

2008-04-15 Thread shawn s
Hi I am trying to modify a small program i found off the internet as follows... I can get the 'tracert' to work and it gives me all the info back. However, when i replace the tracert with 'ping', the commamd prompt shows 'testing' and the script freezes... any suggestions as why it is doing

Get oldest folder

2008-04-15 Thread jyoung79
I'd like to be able to get the path to the oldest folder in whatever directory I'm currently in. Is there a simple way to go about this? I'd like it to run on both OS X and Windows XP. I found this example at http://trac.v2v.cc/browser/python-v2v/v2v/v2v.py?rev=python-v2v%2C37;, but was

Re: py3k s***s

2008-04-15 Thread ajaksu
On Apr 14, 11:07 pm, Sverker Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What serious reports? You almost had me collecting a list of reports/references. Almost :) Google and you'll find them. Regards, Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Get oldest folder

2008-04-15 Thread Tim Golden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to be able to get the path to the oldest folder in whatever directory I'm currently in. And just because I'm feeling silly: code import os print os.popen (dir /b /ad /od /tc c:\python25\lib\site-packages).readline () /code TJG --

Re: Get oldest folder

2008-04-15 Thread Tim Golden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to be able to get the path to the oldest folder in whatever directory I'm currently in. Is there a simple way to go about this? I'd like it to run on both OS X and Windows XP. I found this example but was curious if there's a better way to do this?

Re: webcam (usb) access under Ubuntu

2008-04-15 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Berco Beute wrote: Thanks, that would be great. While I'm at it I wondering how to display a video preview. Here's someone using VideoCapture (the win32 lib) and PyGame, but I'd rather use a GUI framework and preview/capture videos directly. gstreamer has a preview window. Diez --

Re: String Literal to Blob

2008-04-15 Thread Victor Subervi
Gabriel; That's really nice code you wrote. I will rewrite my app accordingly, after I catch a breather! Say, would you please publish this somewhere? Why should I write a howto on this and credit you when all I would be doing is republishing (plagerizing) what you published? Please insert these

Re: py3k s***s

2008-04-15 Thread Gerhard Häring
Sverker Nilsson wrote: [about code supporting multiple Python versions] When it has been the fuzz with versions before, then I could have the same code still work with older versions. But now it seems I have to fork TWO codes. [...] I don't think many people have ported their C extensions to

ImportError: No module named dl

2008-04-15 Thread mathieu
Hi there, I cannot figure out where did the 'dl' module went when running python on AMD64 (debian stable). According to the documentation, I have : python import sys help(sys.setdlopenflags) ... setdlopenflags(...) snip sys.setdlopenflags(dl.RTLD_NOW|dl.RTLD_GLOBAL) ... But when

use object method without initializing object

2008-04-15 Thread Reckoner
would it be possible to use one of an object's methods without initializing the object? In other words, if I have: class Test: def __init__(self): print 'init' def foo(self): print 'foo' and I want to use the foo function without hitting the initialize constructor function. Is

Re: py3k s***s

2008-04-15 Thread Chris McAloney
On 15-Apr-08, at 12:30 AM, Sverker Nilsson wrote: No one forces me, but sooner or later they will want a Python 3.0 and then a 3.1 whatever. I don't want that fuzz. As about the C versions, I am not that worried. What's your point? I just like want to write a program that will stay

Re: use object method without initializing object

2008-04-15 Thread colas . francis
On 15 avr, 17:27, Reckoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it be possible to use one of an object's methods without initializing the object? In other words, if I have: class Test: def __init__(self): print 'init' def foo(self): print 'foo' and I want to use the foo

Re: use object method without initializing object

2008-04-15 Thread Robert Bossy
Reckoner wrote: would it be possible to use one of an object's methods without initializing the object? In other words, if I have: class Test: def __init__(self): print 'init' def foo(self): print 'foo' and I want to use the foo function without hitting the initialize

Re: String Literal to Blob

2008-04-15 Thread J. Cliff Dyer
It is published. On comp.lang.python. Google groups has it, so google (search) will find it. Cheers, Cliff On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 17:04 +0200, Victor Subervi wrote: Gabriel; That's really nice code you wrote. I will rewrite my app accordingly, after I catch a breather! Say, would you

Re: use object method without initializing object

2008-04-15 Thread colas . francis
On 15 avr, 17:43, Robert Bossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reckoner wrote: would it be possible to use one of an object's methods without initializing the object? In other words, if I have: class Test: def __init__(self): print 'init' def foo(self): print 'foo'

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread egbert
What is the role or position of C# in this context ? If I remember well, some people have said that C# is an improved C++ or Java. e -- Egbert Bouwman - Keizersgracht 197 II - 1016 DS Amsterdam - 020 6257991 --

Re: py3k s***s

2008-04-15 Thread Michael Torrie
Chris McAloney wrote: *Have* you tried the 2to3 tool? It might help to lessen your concerns a bit. Yes, Python 3 is different from 2.x, but we've known that it was going to be for years and, as has already been pointed out, the devs are being very careful to minimize the pain that the

Re: Tremendous slowdown due to garbage collection

2008-04-15 Thread Aaron Watters
On Apr 14, 11:18 pm, Carl Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, that is for the OP to decide. The reason I don't like the sort of question I posed is it's presumptuous--maybe the OP already considered and rejected this, and has taken steps to ensure the in memory data structure won't be

Re: Tremendous slowdown due to garbage collection

2008-04-15 Thread Paul Rubin
Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even with Btree's if you jump around in the tree the performance can be awful. The Linux file cache really helps. The simplest approach is to just cat the index files to /dev/null a few times an hour. Slightly faster (what I do with Solr) is mmap the

Re: py3k s***s

2008-04-15 Thread Donn Cave
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sverker Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one forces me, but sooner or later they will want a Python 3.0 and then a 3.1 whatever. I don't want that fuzz. As about the C versions, I am not that worried. What's your point? I just like want to write a

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Michael Torrie
egbert wrote: What is the role or position of C# in this context ? If I remember well, some people have said that C# is an improved C++ or Java. e I think C# is in a great position, and might be recommended. C# has the added advantage of being able to very easily work with IronPython. Thus

Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread hall . jeff
As a relative new comer to Python, I haven't done a heck of a lot of hacking around with it. I had my first run in with Python's quirky (to me at least) tendency to assign by reference rather than by value (I'm coming from a VBA world so that's the terminology I'm using). I was surprised that

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread lbonafide
On Apr 15, 3:07 am, Paul Anton Letnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but C bogs you down with administrative stuff (try converting an int   to a string; I found myself googling for an hour!). It took an hour to find sprintf()? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread lbonafide
On Apr 15, 11:55 am, egbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the role or position of C# in this context ? If I remember well, some people have said that C# is an improved C++ or Java. C# is more similar to Java than C++. Neither is very similar to C++, except in some cosmetic syntactic ways.

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread Gary Herron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a relative new comer to Python, I haven't done a heck of a lot of hacking around with it. I had my first run in with Python's quirky (to me at least) tendency to assign by reference rather than by value (I'm coming from a VBA world so that's the terminology I'm

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread Matimus
On Apr 15, 10:23 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a relative new comer to Python, I haven't done a heck of a lot of hacking around with it. I had my first run in with Python's quirky (to me at least) tendency to assign by reference rather than by value (I'm coming from a VBA world so that's the

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
On Apr 15, 6:23 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a relative new comer to Python, I haven't done a heck of a lot of hacking around with it. I had my first run in with Python's quirky (to me at least) tendency to assign by reference rather than by value (I'm coming from a VBA world so that's the

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread hall . jeff
Thank you both, the assigning using slicing works perfectly (as I'm sure you knew it would)... It just didn't occur to me because it seemed a little nonintuitive... The specific application was def dicttolist (inputdict): finallist=[] for k, v in inputdict.iteritems(): temp = v

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread Michael Tobis
http://effbot.org/zone/python-objects.htm still says it best. mt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread hall . jeff
I think the fundamental disconnect is this issue of mutability and immutability that people talk about (mainly regarding tuples and whether they should be thought of as static lists or not) Coming from VBA I have a tendency to think of everything as an array... So when I create the following

Re: a name error

2008-04-15 Thread mimi.vx
or import sys from urllib2 import * try: r=urllib2.urlopen(http://un-know-n.com/;) except URLError,e: print str(e) sys.exit(1) print r.info() se python scope and namespaces .. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Recurring patterns: Am I missing it, or can we get these added to the language?

2008-04-15 Thread Erich
Hello all, Today I found myself once again defining two functions that I use all the time: nsplit and iterable. These little helper functions of mine get used all the time when I work. Im sick of having to define them (but am very good at it these days, less than 1 typo per function!). It leads

How to have unittest tests to be executed in the order they appear?

2008-04-15 Thread Giampaolo Rodola'
Hi there. Is there a way to force unittest to run test methods in the order they appear? I'll try to explain. My test suite appears as something like this: import unittest from test.test_support import TestSkipped, run_unittest class TestCase(unittest.TestCase): def test_z(self):

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Ben Kaplan
The fact that C# is a .NET language is also a major weakness, since you can only use it on Windows. - Original Message From: Michael Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: python-list@python.org Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:19:31 PM Subject: Re: Java or C++? egbert wrote: What is the role

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread duncan smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you both, the assigning using slicing works perfectly (as I'm sure you knew it would)... It just didn't occur to me because it seemed a little nonintuitive... The specific application was def dicttolist (inputdict): finallist=[] for k, v in

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Grzegorz Słodkowicz
You must be joking - better designed? C++ was a botch to an already poor language. Although I'm relatively new to the concept that C++ is too difficult to use, I would concede that with certain mindset and priorities Java may be a valid choice. Not so if one is willing to expand

Re: How to have unittest tests to be executed in the order they appear?

2008-04-15 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Giampaolo Rodola' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there. Is there a way to force unittest to run test methods in the order they appear? Since they run in alphabetical order why not just rename them to the order you want them to run? Something like this:

Re: How is GUI programming in Python?

2008-04-15 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:43:28 +, David Cook wrote: On 2008-04-11, Gabriel Ibanez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is nobody talking about pyGTK ? There are no limits with licenses (I think) The OS X port is still pretty preliminary. Dave Cook I often use pygtk for my *ix projects,

Re: Preferred method for Assignment by value

2008-04-15 Thread Robin Stocker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: by changing temp = v[:] the code worked perfectly (although changing temp.insert(0,k) to temp = [k] + temp also worked fine... I didn't like that as I knew it was a workaround) So the for body now looks like this?: temp = v[:] temp.insert(0, k)

Re: Module not found in script that was found in command-line interpreter. Possible Path issue?

2008-04-15 Thread Jacob Davis
On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Trent Mick wrote: Jacob Davis wrote: I just installed the MySQLdb module and I have been able to get it to run in my command line interpreter. I am running Mac Leopard, and Python 2.5. I have tested importing and actually connecting and using a MySQL

Re: Recurring patterns: Am I missing it, or can we get these added to the language?

2008-04-15 Thread Mike Driscoll
On Apr 15, 1:51 pm, Erich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Today I found myself once again defining two functions that I use all the time: nsplit and iterable. These little helper functions of mine get used all the time when I work. Im sick of having to define them (but am very good at

Re: Recurring patterns: Am I missing it, or can we get these added to the language?

2008-04-15 Thread Mike Driscoll
On Apr 15, 1:51 pm, Erich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Today I found myself once again defining two functions that I use all the time: nsplit and iterable. These little helper functions of mine get used all the time when I work. Im sick of having to define them (but am very good at

Re: Recurring patterns: Am I missing it, or can we get these added to the language?

2008-04-15 Thread Robin Stocker
Erich schrieb: This is like split() but returns a list of exactly lenght n. This is very useful when using unpacking, e.g.: x, y = nsplit('foo,bar,baz', ',', 2) You could use the second argument of split: x, y = 'foo,bar,baz'.split(',', 1) Note that the number has the meaning only split n

Re: tkinter, canvas, get color of image?

2008-04-15 Thread skanemupp
On 13 Apr, 19:19, Bryan Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mapq = PhotoImage(file = 'C:\Users\saftarn\Desktop\elmapovic.gif') w.create_image(10, 10, image = mapq, anchor = NW) after doing this is there any possibility of getting the characteristics of the

Gecko 1.9

2008-04-15 Thread Joe P. Cool
In 2005 I heard of plans to add Python as a second language to the Gecko engine. Is this still true? Or has this plan been abandoned? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Paul Anton Letnes
Well, if you're new - first find the function, then how to use it, this funny %d5 (or something, don't remember) syntax - it's hard compared to: cout 5 or similar stream tricks, or just 5 + in Java, or just str(5) in Python. Anyway, small tasks are very hard for C newbies. Den 15.

Re: Recurring patterns: Am I missing it, or can we get these added to the language?

2008-04-15 Thread David
Today I found myself once again defining two functions that I use all the time: nsplit and iterable. These little helper functions of mine get used all the time when I work. Im sick of having to define them (but am very good at it these days, less than 1 typo per function!). It leads me

Re: Recurring patterns: Am I missing it, or can we get these added to the language?

2008-04-15 Thread Tim Chase
def nsplit(s,p,n): n -= 1 l = s.split(p, n) if len(l) n: l.extend([''] * (n - len(l))) return l The split() method has a maxsplit parameter that I think does the same thing. For example: temp = 'foo,bar,baz' temp.split(',', 1) ['foo', 'bar,baz'] The OP's

Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-15 Thread Michael Torrie
Ben Kaplan wrote: The fact that C# is a .NET language is also a major weakness, since you can only use it on Windows. Really? I have developed several C# .NET applications and I only use OS X and Linux. Guess I imagined it. Also, IronPython runs very well on Linux and OS X. If you'd said

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