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I'm trying to calculate the difference in seconds between two
timestamps, but I'm totally stuck:
date1=Dec-13-09:47:12
date2=Dec-13-09:47:39
diff=datetime.date(date2)-datetime.date(date1)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
TypeError: an integer is required
On 12/17/2011 05:19 AM, nukeymusic wrote:
I'm trying to calculate the difference in seconds between two
timestamps, but I'm totally stuck:
date1=Dec-13-09:47:12
date2=Dec-13-09:47:39
diff=datetime.date(date2)-datetime.date(date1)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1,
Le 17/12/11 11:19, nukeymusic a crit:
I'm trying to calculate the difference in seconds between two
timestamps, but I'm totally stuck:
date1="Dec-13-09:47:12"
date2="Dec-13-09:47:39"
diff=datetime.date(date2)-datetime.date(date1)
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 02:19:44AM -0800, nukeymusic wrote:
I'm trying to calculate the difference in seconds between two
timestamps, but I'm totally stuck:
date1=Dec-13-09:47:12
date2=Dec-13-09:47:39
diff=datetime.date(date2)-datetime.date(date1)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
nukeymusic nukeymu...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm trying to calculate the difference in seconds between two
[...]
import datetime
date1 = datetime.datetime.strptime(Dec-13-09:47:12, %b-%d-%H:%M:%S)
date2 = datetime.datetime.strptime(Dec-13-09:47:39, %b-%d-%H:%M:%S)
delta = date2 - date1
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On 16.12.2011 05:55, 阮铮 wrote:
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I would like to write a small script to response my mouse click in
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On Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:22:32 PM UTC+8, Alexander Kapps wrote:
On 16.12.2011 05:55, 阮铮 wrote:
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A question about Xlib Library in Python troubled me for several days
and I finally found this email list. I hope someone could answer my
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:38:22 -0800, Eelco wrote:
One can not state in a single line what the asterisk
operator does;
Multiplication, exponentiation, sequence packing/unpacking, and varargs.
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Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:38:22 -0800, Eelco wrote:
One can not state in a single line what the asterisk
operator does;
Multiplication, exponentiation, sequence
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
Import wildcarding?
That's not an operator, any more than it is when used in filename
globbing. The asterisk _character_ has many meanings beyond those of
the operators * and **.
ChrisA
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2 tests failed:
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35 tests skipped:
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You can see my all code below, theoritically that code should work I guess.
But I keep getting this error:
[SUBWARNING/MainProcess] thread for sharing handles raised exception :
---
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
On 2011-12-16, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Eelco wrote:
the actual english usage of the phrase, which omits
the negation completely :). (I could care less)
No, that's the American usage.
That's the _ignorant_ American usage. Americans with a clue use the
couldn't
On Dec 17, 6:18 pm, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
Import wildcarding?
That's not an operator, any more than it is when used in filename
globbing. The asterisk _character_ has many meanings beyond those of
the
On Dec 13, 5:03 pm, Andrea Crotti andrea.crott...@gmail.com wrote:
The set_verbosity seems to do its job, the second is also
called and the filters are added but I don't see the output
formatted as it should..
Generally speaking, you should only do logging configuration once, as
Jean-Michel
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:11:04 -0800, Eelco wrote:
One can not state in a single line what the asterisk
operator does;
...
To cut short this line of discussion; I meant the asterisk symbol purely
in the context of collection packing/unpacking. Of course it has other
uses too.
Even that
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:38:22 -0800, Eelco wrote:
Type constraints:
In case the asterisk is not used to signal unpacking, but rather to
signal packing, its semantics is essentially that of a type constraint.
Type constraint normally refers to type restrictions on *input*: it is
a
I'm interested in writing two programs, A and B, which communicate using
JSON. At a high level, A wants to transfer an array to B.
However, I would very much like to make it possible for A and B to run
in parallel, so my current plan is to have A output and B read a
*sequence* of JSON objects. In
On 12/16/2011 8:26 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:05:57 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
It is am important distinction [unbound versus bound]
It is not an important distinction, and I am not confusing the two.
So we agree on the distinction but disagree on its importance.
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
The usual test of a weakly-typed language is that 1+1 succeeds (and
usually gives 2), as in Perl but not Python. I believe you are confusing
weak typing with dynamic typing, a common mistake.
I'd go
On 12/17/2011 20:45, Chris Angelico wrote:
I'd go stronger than usually there. If 1+1 results in 11, then
that's not weak typing but rather a convenient syntax for
stringification - if every object can (or must) provide a to-string
method, and concatenating anything to a string causes it to be
On 12/16/2011 9:40 PM, YAN HUA wrote:
Hi,all. Could anybody tell how this code works?
root = [None, None]
root[:] = [root, root]
root
[[...], [...]]
root[0]
[[...], [...]]
root[0][0][1][1][0][0][0][1][1]
[[...], [...]]
A simpler example:
l = []
l.append(l)
l
[[...]]
Python is
On 12/17/2011 21:03, Evan Driscoll wrote:
Personally I'd put Python even weaker on account of things such as
'[1,2]*2' and '1 True' being allowed, but on the other hand it
doesn't allow 1+1.
Not to mention duck typing, which under my definition I'd argue is
pretty much the weakest of typing
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:45:35 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
The usual test of a weakly-typed language is that 1+1 succeeds (and
usually gives 2), as in Perl but not Python. I believe you are
confusing
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On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Evan Driscoll edrisc...@wisc.edu wrote:
Sorry, I just subscribed to the list so am stepping in mid-conversation,
Welcome to the list! If you're curious as to what's happened, check
the archives:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/
Something like ML or
In article 4eed5eef$0$29979$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com,
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
some academic languages may be
entire strong; but most real-world languages include elements of both.
Most commonly coercing ints to floats.
Early Fortran compilers
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
It is possible for 1 + one to be equal to 2 in C or C++. All it takes
is for the string literal to be located at memory location 1. Not
likely, but nothing in the language prevents it.
Not quite; 1 + one will be ne, which might
I'm getting a fatal python error Fatal Python error: GC object already
tracked[1].
Using gdb, I've pinpointed the place where the error is detected. It is an
empty dictionary which is marked as in-use. This is somewhat helpful since I
can reliably find the memory address of the dict, but it
On 12/17/2011 21:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
Welcome to the list! If you're curious as to what's happened, check
the archives:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/
Thanks! Incidentally, is there a good way to respond to the original
post in this thread, considering it wasn't delivered to
I like the spirit of this. Let's look at your examples.
Examples of use:
head, tail::tuple = ::sequence
def foo(args::list, kwargs::dict): pass
foo(::args, ::kwargs)
My initial reaction was nonono!, but this is simply because of the ugliness.
The double-colon is very visually
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Evan Driscoll edrisc...@wisc.edu wrote:
On 12/17/2011 21:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
Welcome to the list! If you're curious as to what's happened, check
the archives:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/
Thanks! Incidentally, is there a good way to
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 3:52 PM, buck workithar...@gmail.com wrote:
The last one looks decorator-ish, but maybe that's proper. The implementation
of this would be quite decorator-like: take the normal value of x, pass it
through the indicated function, assign that value back to x.
Try these
On 12/17/2011 22:52, buck wrote:
Try these on for size.
head, @tuple tail = sequence
def foo(@list args, @dict kwargs): pass
foo(@args, @kwargs)
For backward compatibility, we could say that the unary * is identical to
@list and unary ** is identical to @dict.
I like
On 12/17/2011 23:33, Evan Driscoll wrote:
I do have one more thing to point out, which is that currently the
Python vararg syntax is very difficult to Google for. In the first pages
of the four searches matching python (function)? (star | asterisk),
there was just one relevant hit on
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:33:27 -0600, Evan Driscoll wrote:
I do have one more thing to point out, which is that currently the
Python vararg syntax is very difficult to Google for.
You're coming in late to the conversation, but that was literally the
second thing pointed out by the original
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I feel like a 'tard now, it was because I was trying to print() it at the same
time I decoded it, which is what threw up. Well, sorry about that, next time
I'll be a little more careful to separate every step before I go reporting
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Thanks Michael.
I committed a simpler version of your patch.
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Oooh, I missed the important sentence Accordingly, constructor arguments are
interpreted as for bytearray(). The 5 constructors are documented in bytearray
doc:
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Patch version 2: improve the test. Try also the user locale encoding if the C
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So it seems unlikely to be the explanation.
Victor reproduced in on IRC, and it's indeed an overflow.
The problematic code is in readline_file:
bigger = self-buf_size 1;
if (bigger = 0) { /* overflow */
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
Should we fix this (Py_ssize_t, overflow check before computation), as in
#11564?
Yes. Use Py_ssize_t type for the buf_size attribute, and replace bigger = 0
(test if an overflow occurred) by self-buf_size (PY_SSIZE_T_MAX 1).
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Ah, I see. It's a bit of a pity not to be able to load files 1GB, especially
on a 64-bit build (!). Perhaps cPickle could be made partly 64-bit compatible?
Or at least, indeed, do a proper anti-overflow check.
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I have done a little bit hd/files archeology and
found some of my comments.
Pointing on number litterals is probably wrong. The fact
is that, this happens with practically any expression. And
strangely, not all keywords (constructs?) are
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I tested locale_encoding-2.patch on Linux, FreeBSD and Windows: UTF-8 and
ISO-8859-1 locales on Linux and FreeBSD, and the cp1252 ANSI code page on
Windows.
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999if 888else 888
File eta last command, line 1
999if 888else 888
^
SyntaxError: invalid token
This might be because 888e5 is a valid expression, so the 'e' is parsed as part
of the number rather than a separate token.
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Hello everyone, I juste tried to launch the stringbench on python3.2 and
python3.3 dev versions and some unicode tests run slower in python3.3 than in
python3.2.
I cc the two raw output of both runs. I also extracted most interesting data
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Thanks, this is a known issue. I'm not too worried, since they are fairly
artificial. In the cases I've looked at, I don't think anything can be done
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Hello everyone, I juste tried to launch the stringbench on python3.2 and
python3.3 dev versions and some bytes tests run slower in python3.3 than in
python3.2.
I cc the two raw output of both runs. I also extracted most interesting data
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Sorted and grouped results. replace, find and concat should be easy to
fix, format is a little bit more complex, strip and split depends on
find performance and require to scan the substring to ensure that the result
is canonical
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
Sorted and grouped results. replace, find and concat should be easy to
fix, strip and split depend on find performance.
replace:
- b...text.with.2000.lines...replace(b\n, b ) (*10): -37.668161%
find:
- (bA*1000).find(bB)
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Forgot to describe my environment:
Mac OS X 10.6.8
GCC i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)
CPython3.3 revision ea421c534305
CPython3.2 revision 0b86da9d6964
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CPython3.3 revision ea421c534305
CPython3.2 revision 0b86da9d6964
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Hello everyone, I juste tried to launch the stringbench on python3.2 and
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python3.2.
I cc the two raw output of both runs. I also extracted most interesting data
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The only way of this thing actually happening is if the GC link list has
actually a cycle.
Without a testcase to try to reproduce, it can't be debugged.
David, can you reproduce this consistently, even if it takes a few hours?.
As Amaury
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
Grouped results.
find (first):
- (bA*1000).find(bA): -70%
- (bA*1000).rfind(bA) : -70%
- (bA*1000).index(bA) : -71%
- (bA*1000).rindex(bA) : -68%
- (bAB*1000).index(bAB) : -68%
- (bAB*1000).rindex(bAB): -67%
-
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Boris.FELD told me that there was a bug in compare.py: all numbers are related
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iobench benchmarking tool showed that the UTF-8 encoder is slower in Python 3.3
than Python 3.2. The performance depends on the characters of the input string:
* 8x faster (!) for a string of 50.000 ASCII characters
* 1.5x
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On Linux using 2.7.1 and 3.2, the Replace dialog does not contain the selected
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The find functionality that copies the selected text was introduced in
868ff0dfabd2 on 2002-11-06. Unfortunately it wasn't added to the
Jérémy Anger kidan...@gmail.com added the comment:
I've fixed two more warnings, see my patch. (gcc 4.6.2)
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Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file24004/fix_2warnings.diff
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Changes by Roger Serwy roger.se...@gmail.com:
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versions: +Python 2.7, Python 3.2, Python 3.3 -Python 3.1
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Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
Can you please provide your exact testing procedure? Standard iobench.py
doesn't support testing for separate ASCII, UCS-1 and UCS-2 data, so you must
have used some other tool. Exact code, command line parameters, hardware
description and
Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com added the comment:
-1 I'm with Mark, Georg, and Benjamin on this one.
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