On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
So what do you think would be a good approach towards people
who are behaving in conflict with this wish of yours? Just
bluntly call them worse than the troll or try to approach them
in a way that is less
On 26/06/2013 9:19 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
Did you ever hear of the Glass Bead Game?
Which was Hesse's condemnation of the
pure-academic-understanding-unbound-by-pragmatic-use approach as mental
masturbation,
It was not. He was conflicted. On the one hand he knew the
enterprise was
Hi,
I'd like to use closures to set allow a subroutine to set variables in its
caller, in leu of pointers. But I can't get it to work. I have the following
test pgm, but I can't understand its behaviour:
It uses a function p2() from the module modules.closure1b:
def p2 (proc):
proc
On 29 Jun 2013 10:38, cts.private.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to use closures to set allow a subroutine to set variables in
its caller, in leu of pointers. But I can't get it to work. I have the
following test pgm, but I can't understand its behaviour:
It uses a function p2() from
cts.private.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to use closures to set allow a subroutine to set variables in its
caller, in leu of pointers.
leu? Must be a Fench word ;)
But I can't get it to work. I have the
following test pgm, but I can't understand its behaviour:
It uses a function p2()
Well, it would have been French if I had spelled it right - since you force me
overcome my laziness, I see I should have spelled it lieu ...
Thank you. You reminded me of the (weak) workaround of using arrays and
confirmed my suspicion that I although I can read the variable, I won't be able
Hi,
I am trying to use a program called MeCab, which does syntax analysis on
Japanese text. The problem I am having is that it returns a byte string and if
I try to print it, it prints question marks for almost all characters. However,
if I try to use .decide, it throws an error. Here is my
Alas, one reason it's a weak workaround is that it doesn't work - at least, not
how I wish it would:
$ cat ptrs
x = 34
def p1 (a1):
a1[0] += 12
p1 ([x])
print (x)
$ python ptrs
34
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As for python 3 ... nonlocal? I see I'm not alone in picking obnoxious
names ...
tous chez...
Alas, one reason it's a weak workaround is that it doesn't work - at
least, not how I wish it would:
$ cat ptrs
x = 34
def p1 (a1):
a1[0] += 12
PS: If you're reading this and love the French language -- I am deeply sorry
for the pain I'm causing you...
It's obviously a team effort...
My French ain't so hot, either. I had to google your tout chez until I ran
into the explanation:
hallo :) also ich gucke super gerne two and a half
On 05:28 Sat 29 Jun , Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:36:37 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 06/27/2013 03:49 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[rant]
I think it is lousy design for a framework like argparse to raise a
custom ArgumentError in one part of the code, only to
On 06/28/2013 11:35 PM, Titiksha wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2013 8:20:28 PM UTC-5, Titiksha wrote:
SNIP double-spaced nonsense
m=['631138', '601034', '2834', '2908', '64808']
SNIP more double-spaced nonsense
['LAKEFLD 3227,631138\n', 'NOBLES 3013,601034\n']
On 2013-06-29, fob...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to use a program called MeCab, which does syntax analysis on
Japanese text. The problem I am having is that it returns a byte string
and if I try to print it, it prints question marks for almost all
characters. However, if I try to use
On 06/29/2013 05:44 AM, cts.private.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
Alas, one reason it's a weak workaround is that it doesn't work - at least,
not how I wish it would:
$ cat ptrs
x = 34
def p1 (a1):
a1[0] += 12
p1 ([x])
print (x)
$ python ptrs
34
you'll have to use it
On 06/29/2013 05:21 AM, cts.private.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you. You reminded me of the (weak) workaround of using arrays
and confirmed my suspicion that I although I can read the variable, I
won't be able to write to it. I still don't understand why not,
though...
The real problem
On 06/29/2013 07:29 AM, fob...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Using Python 2.7 on Linux, presumably? It'd be better to be explicit.
I am trying to use a program called MeCab, which does syntax analysis on
Japanese text. The problem I am having is that it returns a byte string and if
I try to print
In article mailman.3980.1372480662.3114.python-l...@python.org,
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
So a library that behaves like an app is OK?
No, Steven is right as a general rule (do not raise SystemExit), but
argparse was considered an exception because its purpose is to turn a
On 2013.06.29 09:12, Roy Smith wrote:
What is the tracker issue number or url?
http://bugs.python.org/issue9938
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On 29/06/2013 14:44, Dave Angel wrote:
On 06/28/2013 11:35 PM, Titiksha wrote:
Since you're using the arrogant and buggy GoogleGroups, this
http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython.
Please don't make comments like this, you'll upset the Python Mailing
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On 29/06/2013 13:26, cts.private.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
PS: If you're reading this and love the French language -- I am deeply sorry
for the pain I'm causing you...
It's obviously a team effort...
My French ain't so hot, either. I had to google your tout chez until I ran
into the
I love the title. Reminds me of Ivanhoe ... great time travel.
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On 6/29/2013 10:02 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
On 06/29/2013 07:29 AM, fob...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Using Python 2.7 on Linux, presumably? It'd be better to be explicit.
I am trying to use a program called MeCab, which does syntax analysis
on Japanese text.
It is generally nice to give a link
On 6/29/2013 11:32 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
I am trying to use a program called MeCab, which does syntax analysis
on Japanese text.
It is generally nice to give a link when asking about 3rd party
software. https://code.google.com/p/mecab/
In this case, nearly all the non-boilerplate text is
On 29/06/2013 06:28, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:36:37 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 06/27/2013 03:49 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[rant]
I think it is lousy design for a framework like argparse to raise a
custom ArgumentError in one part of the code, only to catch it
There now is a graph connected roomsystem which provides for a master room with
elevators and ropes to climb on. A room in a master room can be easily made out
of the file maproomcastleX.py. This is about 10 lines of code.
On my blog you can see some pictures
On 29 June 2013 03:07, charles benoit feather.duster.kung...@gmail.com wrote:
STUFF
1) You haven't asked a question.
2) You posted your code twice. That makes it look a lot harder and
longer than it really is.
3) Give us a *minimal* reproducible test case. I currently just get:
%~ python2
On 29/06/2013 12:29, fob...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to use a program called MeCab, which does syntax analysis on
Japanese text. The problem I am having is that it returns a byte string and if
I try to print it, it prints question marks for almost all characters. However,
if I try to
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:29:23 -0700, fobos3 wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to use a program called MeCab, which does syntax analysis on
Japanese text. The problem I am having is that it returns a byte string
and if I try to print it, it prints question marks for almost all
characters. However, if I
On 29/06/2013 17:05, Joshua Landau wrote:
On 29 June 2013 03:07, charles benoit feather.duster.kung...@gmail.com wrote:
STUFF
1) You haven't asked a question.
2) You posted your code twice. That makes it look a lot harder and
longer than it really is.
3) Give us a *minimal* reproducible test
Op 29-06-13 16:02, Michael Torrie schreef:
The real problem here is that you don't understand how python variables
work. And in fact, python does not have variables. It has names that
bind to objects.
I don't understand why members of this list keep saying this. Sure the
variables in python
On Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:32:01 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote:
Op 29-06-13 16:02, Michael Torrie schreef:
The real problem here is that you don't understand how python variables
work. And in fact, python does not have variables. It has names that
bind to objects.
I don't
I have a certain GUI program that I built using Python 2.7 and PyQt4.
I want to convert it into a standalone windows executable.
I went through the docs for Pyinstaller-2.0 and tried several times but I think
that I might be on the wrong approach.
Here is the structure of my Program.
On 06/29/2013 11:02 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
Op 29-06-13 16:02, Michael Torrie schreef:
The real problem here is that you don't understand how python variables
work. And in fact, python does not have variables. It has names that
bind to objects.
I don't understand why members of this
On 06/29/2013 07:56 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
x = [ 34, ]
def test_func( out ):
out[0] += 12
test_func(x)
print (x)
Well, actually
print (x[0])
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:) Thank you guys for saying what I was biting my tongue about (thanks
everybody for the help, BTW!).
This python-think stuff was starting to get on my nerves - but then it
occurred to me that - although having many powerful features - it has so many
weird restrictions that it requires a
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:21:46 -0700, cts.private.yahoo wrote:
Thank you. You reminded me of the (weak) workaround of using arrays
I think you mean lists, rather than arrays. Python does have an array
type, but it is much more restricted.
If you want an indirect reference to a value, the
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:02:01 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
Op 29-06-13 16:02, Michael Torrie schreef:
The real problem here is that you don't understand how python variables
work. And in fact, python does not have variables. It has names that
bind to objects.
I don't understand why
On 06/29/2013 12:37 PM, cts.private.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
:) Thank you guys for saying what I was biting my tongue about
(thanks everybody for the help, BTW!).
Sometimes it's best to state the actual problem you're trying to solve
and see if there's a pythonic solution that fits it rather
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:37:55 -0700, cts.private.yahoo wrote:
:) Thank you guys for saying what I was biting my tongue about (thanks
everybody for the help, BTW!).
This python-think stuff was starting to get on my nerves - but then it
occurred to me that - although having many powerful
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:45:30 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python require declarations for local names, but if it did it would
probably use local.
Oops, I meant *doesn't* require declarations. Sorry for the error.
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On 06/29/2013 12:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
You are absolutely correct in principle. But in practice, there are ten
bazillion C, Pascal, COBOL, and BASIC programmers who understand the word
variable to mean a named memory location, for every Smalltalk or Lisp
programmer who understands a
On Sunday, June 30, 2013 12:21:35 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:02:01 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
We might as well say that C doesn't have variables, it has names
pointing to memory locations or value containers or something like that.
AFAICS there is no
I know the answer to this must be trivial but I am stuck...
I am starting on a not too complex Python project. Right now the
project file structure contains three subdirectories and two
files with Python code:
code
blablabla.py
test
blablabla_test.py
doc
(empty for now)
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:35:54 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote:
Python's
basic data types are immutable. At best we could say they are read-only
variables.
Python's basic data types are not necessarily immutable. Lists and dicts
are not immutable. Being a high-level language, the idea of
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Antoon Pardon
antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote:
Op 29-06-13 16:02, Michael Torrie schreef:
The real problem here is that you don't understand how python variables
work. And in fact, python does not have variables. It has names that
bind to objects.
I
exactly that. Without wanting to analyze it in too much depth now, I would
want a local keyword to allow me to know I was protecting my variables, and a
way to specify other scopes, without so much implied scoping in non-intuitive
ways...
Now everybody is gonna tell me how wrong I am, but you
In article b38pvbfjlv...@mid.individual.net,
Martin Schöön martin.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
I know the answer to this must be trivial but I am stuck...
I am starting on a not too complex Python project. Right now the
project file structure contains three subdirectories and two
files with
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:20:45 -0700, cts.private.yahoo wrote:
exactly that.
Exactly what? Who are you replying to? Your post has no context.
Without wanting to analyze it in too much depth now, I
would want a local keyword to allow me to know I was protecting my
variables, and a way to
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:13:47 +, Martin Schöön wrote:
$PYTHONPATH points at both the code and the test directories.
When I run blablabla_test.py it fails to import blablabla.py
What error message do you get?
I have messed around for oven an hour and get nowhere. I have done
Touchy aren't we ...
:)
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On 2013-06-29 19:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Nobody ever asks why Python doesn't let you sort an int, or take
the square of a list...
just to be ornery, you can sort an int:
i = 314159265
''.join(sorted(str(i)))
'112345569'
And I suppose, depending on how you define it, you can square a
On 06/28/2013 10:28 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I'm willing to concede that, just maybe, something like argparse could
default to catch exceptions and exit ON rather than OFF.
On this we can agree. :)
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On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:20:45 -0700, cts.private.yahoo wrote:
Without wanting to analyze it in too much depth now, I
would want a local keyword to allow me to know I was protecting my
variables, and a
On 29 June 2013 20:42, Tim Chase t...@thechases.com wrote:
On 2013-06-29 19:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Nobody ever asks why Python doesn't let you sort an int, or take
the square of a list...
just to be ornery, you can sort an int:
i = 314159265
''.join(sorted(str(i)))
'112345569'
To be
On 29 June 2013 18:00, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 29/06/2013 17:05, Joshua Landau wrote:
asks for clarification
Why this when the approach to Nick the Incompetant Greek has been to roll
out the red carpet?
I am my own person, and should not be judged by the actions of
The game has a homepage now so you can follow the game there,
see http://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/The_adventure_of_Link_2
There's also lots of screenshots on that page.
TW
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On 6/29/2013 3:47 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:20:45 -0700, cts.private.yahoo wrote:
Huh? What language are you programming in? Python doesn't have implied
scoping in non-intuitive
On 2013-06-29, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:13:47 +, Martin Schöön wrote:
$PYTHONPATH points at both the code and the test directories.
When I run blablabla_test.py it fails to import blablabla.py
What error message do you get?
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
# The alternative for either program or people is a 1-pass + backtracking
process where all understandings are kept provisional until the end of the
body and revised as required. 2 passes are simpler.
Or simply an explicit
No, actually, it's okay that it's local by default, after all. TCL's got that
capability of explicitly specifying the scope (up n or something like that?).
That's okay for tcl, not sure if it would seem so elegant for python. But you
can't tell me that the scenarios that I presented in the
On 06/29/2013 01:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python's basic data types are not necessarily immutable. Lists and dicts
are not immutable. Being a high-level language, the idea of primitives
like int, double, float, etc from C doesn't really apply. A Python dict
is not made up from Python
On 06/29/2013 01:20 PM, cts.private.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
exactly that. Without wanting to analyze it in too much depth now, I
would want a local keyword to allow me to know I was protecting my
variables, and a way to specify other scopes, without so much implied
scoping in non-intuitive
In order to get the ball rolling, and because after hours of futzing I
still can't get the diff to work (yeah, fine, I'm incompetent), I've
started sketching out how a PEP for http://bugs.python.org/issue2292,
Missing *-unpacking generalizations might look.
It's attached if anyone cares to look.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
For further hack value, require that all pull requests to the project be
done entirely in iambic pentameter:
for host in hosts:
deploy(the_code).remote()
For further hack delight, require a patch
Submitted for this code
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:42:58 -0500, Tim Chase wrote:
On 2013-06-29 19:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Nobody ever asks why Python doesn't let you sort an int, or take the
square of a list...
just to be ornery, you can sort an int:
i = 314159265
''.join(sorted(str(i)))
'112345569'
And I
On 6/29/2013 5:21 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
# The alternative for either program or people is a 1-pass + backtracking
process where all understandings are kept provisional until the end of the
body and revised as required. 2 passes
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 6/29/2013 5:21 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
# The alternative for either program or people is a 1-pass + backtracking
process where all understandings are kept
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 6/29/2013 5:21 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
Or simply an explicit declaration of scope at the beginning of the
function definition.
One of the reasons I switched to Python was to not have to do that, or
hardly ever. For valid
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Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset f3f38c84aebc by Antoine Pitrou in branch 'default':
Issue #18322: fix some test_stat nits.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/f3f38c84aebc
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Committed with unittest.main(). Thanks for the comments.
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Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
There is other problem with test_largefile. It not allows running only selected
tests. I.e.
./python -m test.regrtest -v -m test_lseek test_largefile
Looks as test_largefile was suboptimal converted to unittest.
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New submission from icedream91:
I think the documents talking about list.sort() in page
http://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#list.sort is not clear enough.
What asterisk means in sort(*, key=None, reverse=None), may be cmp argument
from Python 2, or anything else? Or it is a typo?
R. David Murray added the comment:
It means they are keyword-only arguments. This could be mentioned in the text,
with the term 'keyword-only arguments' linked to an appropriate glossary entry
(which appears to need to be added).
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
The sockets tutorial deserves a good overhaul :-)
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Ronald Oussoren added the comment:
Any review would be greatly appreciated. One thing I'm not too happy about is
the use of magic numbers in the binary plist support code, but I think that
using constants or a dispatch table would not make the code any clearer.
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New changeset 4a714fea95ef by Terry Jan Reedy in branch '2.7':
Issue #18237: Fix assertRaisesRegexp error caought by Jeff Tratner.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/4a714fea95ef
New changeset b3d19f0494e7 by Terry Jan Reedy in branch '3.3':
Issue #18237: Fix
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
I went with adding ' after changing '...' to
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When processed (a week?),
Łukasz Langa added the comment:
Looks like the priority ordering you mention is not yet documented
anywhere. It definitely makes sense but I'd like to take a step back for
a moment to consider the following questions:
1. What additional functionality do our users get with this ordering? In
Ethan Furman added the comment:
Integrated comments.
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New submission from Christian Heimes:
Coverity has found something fishy in our code base:
CID 983564 (#1 of 1): Arguments in wrong order
(SWAPPED_ARGUMENTS)swapped_arguments: The positions of arguments newto and
oldto are inconsistent with the positions of the corresponding parameters for
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New submission from Christian Heimes:
Coverity doesn't like the code in and I think it's right. Can somebody look
into the matter and check Python 3.3, too?
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/ac7bc6700ac3/Python/pystate.c#l376
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/ac7bc6700ac3/Python/pystate.c#l394
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
I have added comments on Rietveld.
I have to apologize for unwitting misleading of d9pouces. Functional version of
the patch is enough Pythonic and it looks more clear to me than object-oriented
one.
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New submission from Марк Коренберг:
Results or running attached program:
$ python2.7 qwe.py
TCP mode, makefile method. 198807.2 lines per second (189.6 MB/s). Delay is
5.03 seconds
TCP mode, fdopen method. 1041666.7 lines per second (993.4 MB/s). Delay is
0.96 seconds
UNIX mode, makefile
Марк Коренберг added the comment:
Yes, results are repeatable, and for python 2.7 I have roughly same timings for
UNIX socket.
Also, I have straced all variants and see that in all 4 cases (and for both
python versions) IO is done using 8192 blocks in size, so buffering is not
cause of
Марк Коренберг added the comment:
Well, python 3.3 is slightly faster:
$ python3.3 qwe.py
TCP mode, makefile method. 380228.1 lines per second (362.6 MB/s). Delay is
2.63 seconds
TCP mode, fdopen method. 877193.0 lines per second (836.6 MB/s). Delay is
1.14 seconds
UNIX mode, makefile
A.M. Kuchling added the comment:
Closing this issue after a week. Mike Hoy: thanks for your patch.
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Bumping version to 3.4. I'll send a note to python-dev about this issue.
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Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
Try to wrap socket.makefile() with io.BufferedReader().
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Richard Oudkerk added the comment:
I think in Python 3 makefile() returns a TextIOWrapper object by default. To
force the use of binary you need to specfiy the mode:
fileobj = ss.makefile(mode='rb')
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New submission from Terry J. Reedy:
The purpose of the function is to create a command line for the user
subprocess. Most of its body:
'''
# Maybe IDLE is installed and is being accessed via sys.path,
# or maybe it's not installed and the idle.py script is being
# run from the IDLE source
Changes by Марк Коренберг socketp...@gmail.com:
Removed file: http://bugs.python.org/file30731/qwe.py
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Марк Коренберг added the comment:
Eliminate unicode conversion for python3, but results still the same
$ python2.7 qwe.py
TCP mode, makefile method. 211416.5 lines per second (201.6 MB/s). Delay is
4.73 seconds
TCP mode, fdopen method. 1041666.7 lines per second (993.4 MB/s). Delay is
Марк Коренберг added the comment:
Can anyone test in python 3.4 ?
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Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset c818c215f1a4 by Terry Jan Reedy in branch '3.3':
Issue #18103: Update README.txt and test_idle to describe and run gui tests.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/c818c215f1a4
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Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset 0767363a0393 by Terry Jan Reedy in branch '2.7':
Issue #18103: Update README.txt and test_idle to describe and run gui tests.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/0767363a0393
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