On Tuesday 02 June 2015 07:45, TheDoctor wrote:
On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 at 6:40:22 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:30:54 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
1) It tried to make Object the parent of every class.
Tried, and succeeded.
Oh? How about:
class
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Plates and spoons and knives and forks are objects.
Cars and trucks and ships and planes are objects.
Books and shoes and maps and compasses are objects.
Buildings are objects.
And blueprints of buildings are objects
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 2:08:08 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Plates and spoons and knives and forks are objects.
Cars and trucks and ships and planes are objects.
Books and shoes and maps and compasses are objects.
Buildings are
On Tuesday 02 June 2015 10:10, TheDoctor wrote:
On Friday, September 13, 2013 at 12:08:04 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Mark, you are digging up a conversation from nearly two years ago.
Seriously?
It makes no difference whether I write:
atoms - stars - galaxies
or
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
1 ∈ all these
Are the '∈'s here same? Similar?
Yes, they are. Every one of them is asserting (or asking, depending on
your point of view) whether or not the instance to its left is a
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On Tuesday 02 June 2015 10:24, TheDoctor wrote:
A type is not an object in the same way an instantiated type is an object
-- anymore than a blueprint for a building is the building itself.
Nobody says that blueprints are *buildings*. But buildings are not the only
kind of object that exists.
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also, it looks like this bug is in python-3.3. not sure what the status of
that branch is, but maybe the backport from 3.4 would be easy ?
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 12:42:31 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tuesday 02 June 2015 10:24, TheDoctor wrote:
A type is not an object in the same way an instantiated type is an object
-- anymore than a blueprint for a building is the building itself.
Nobody says that
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skills are sadly lacking. I went through SKlearn docs but it is beyond me.
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In a message of Mon, 01 Jun 2015 19:14:18 -0700, fl writes:
Hi,
I read the online help about string. It lists string constants, string
formatting, template strings and string functions. After reading these,
I am still puzzled about how to use the string module.
Could you show me a few example
On Tuesday 02 June 2015 12:14, fl wrote:
Hi,
I read the online help about string. It lists string constants, string
formatting, template strings and string functions. After reading these,
I am still puzzled about how to use the string module.
Could you show me a few example about this
Mike Frysinger added the comment:
the original report on our side w/bunches of tracebacks: http://crbug.com/481223
with that traceback in hand, it's pretty trivial to write a reproduction :).
attached!
i couldn't figure out how to make it work w/out completely execing a new python
instance.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano
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but that's not what my second example says. Look closely, and consider that
sometimes we write Mark's hat and sometimes the hat of Mark.
... and sometimes the hat Mark's talking through, which appears to
Laura Creighton l...@openend.se a écrit dans le message de
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You may be looking for dictionary dispatching.
You can translate the key into a callable.
def do_ping(self, arg):
return 'Ping, {0}!'.format(arg)
def do_pong(self, arg):
On 2015-06-02, BartC b...@freeuk.com wrote:
On 02/06/2015 18:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Again, this is not relevant. Javascript is dynamically typed, but some
values are machine primitives and other values are objects. The interpreter
keeps track of this at runtime.
Javascript primitives
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On 02/06/2015 18:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 10:49 pm, BartC wrote:
On 02/06/2015 12:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In the programming language Java, *some* values are objects, and some
values are not objects.
In the programming language Python, *all* values are objects, in
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015, at 13:59, BartC wrote:
On 02/06/2015 18:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Again, this is not relevant. Javascript is dynamically typed, but some
values are machine primitives and other values are objects. The interpreter
keeps track of this at runtime.
Javascript
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM, fl rxjw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I see the description of lambda at the online tutorial, but I cannot
understand it. '42' is transferred to the function. What 'x' value should
be? I do not see it says that it is '0'. And, what is 'x'?
The lambda keyword is
On 2015-06-02, Dr. Bigcock dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't really do anything. No one uses integers as objects.
(Any dissenters?)
Yes. *Everyone* uses integers as objects. Containers such as
lists and dictionaries and tuples etc contain objects. If
integers weren't objects then you
fl rxjw...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de
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Hi,
def make_incrementor(n):
... return lambda x: x + n
...
f = make_incrementor(42)
f(0)
42
f(1)
43
make_incrementor is a fonction which return a function !
and the
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-4, BartC wrote:
Javascript primitives include Number and String.
What does Python allow to be done with its Number (int, etc) and String
types that can't be done with their
Hi,
I see the description of lambda at the online tutorial, but I cannot
understand it. '42' is transferred to the function. What 'x' value should
be? I do not see it says that it is '0'. And, what is 'x'?
def make_incrementor(n):
... return lambda x: x + n
...
f =
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R. David Murray added the comment:
Terry: the slowdown might be IPV6 handling, which was a bit broken on windows.
In any case, I think the slowdown should be treated as a separate issue if you
care about it, so I'm going to close this. (I think it would be great if
someone would do a review
New submission from Petr Viktorin:
I have sent patches to 3.5 that add new stable API, and later I learned [0]
that additions should be conditional on the value of Py_LIMITED_API.
This patch adds #ifdef blocks for what was added in issues #24268 and #24345.
[0]
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In a message of Tue, 02 Jun 2015 19:46:54 +0200, ast writes:
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You may be looking for dictionary dispatching.
You can translate the key into a callable.
def do_ping(self,
On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-4, BartC wrote:
On 02/06/2015 18:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 10:49 pm, BartC wrote:
On 02/06/2015 12:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In the programming language Java, *some* values are objects, and some
values are not objects.
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Hi,
I try to learn sorted(). With the tutorial example:
ff=sorted({1: 'D', 2: 'B', 3: 'B', 4: 'E', 5: 'A'})
ff
[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
I don't see what sorted does in this dictionary, i.e. the sequence of
1..5 is unchanged. Could you explain it to me?
Thanks,
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operator.itemgetter is a factory function , itemgetter(1)== lambda
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sorted_dict =
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 1:20:40 PM UTC-7, fl wrote:
Hi,
I try to learn sorted(). With the tutorial example:
ff=sorted({1: 'D', 2: 'B', 3: 'B', 4: 'E', 5: 'A'})
ff
[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
I don't see what sorted does in this dictionary, i.e. the sequence of
1..5 is unchanged.
ff=sorted({1: 'D', 2: 'B', 3: 'B', 4: 'E', 5: 'A'})
ff
[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
sorted({1: 'D', 2: 'B', 3: 'B', 4: 'E', 5: 'A'}) is equivalent to
sorted(iter({1: 'D', 2: 'B', 3: 'B', 4: 'E', 5: 'A'}))
and iter(dict) iterates over the dict keys, so when you do
iter({1: 'D', 2: 'B', 3: 'B', 4: 'E', 5:
Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net writes:
Alain Ketterlin al...@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid:
The close(2) manpage has the following warning on my Linux system:
| Not checking the return value of close() is a common but
| nevertheless serious programming error. It is quite possible
Alain Ketterlin al...@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid:
The close(2) manpage has the following warning on my Linux system:
| Not checking the return value of close() is a common but
| nevertheless serious programming error. It is quite possible that
| errors on a previous write(2)
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New submission from Eric Snow:
While the dict/OrderedDict iterators already check for additions and deletions,
using the OrderedDict.move_to_end during iteration can lead to surprising
results.
The following results in an infinite loop:
od = OrderedDict.fromkeys('abc')
last = None
Michael Del Monte added the comment:
I don't want to speak out of school and you guys certainly know what you're
doing, but it seems a shame to go through these gyrations -- lookahead plus
unreading lines -- only to preserve the ability to parse email headers, when
HTTP really does follow a
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The classic response to Super Considered Harmful for those who may be
interested is
https://rhettinger.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/super-considered-super/ and
recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOglTERPEo
I feel
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Alain Ketterlin
al...@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid wrote:
I've no idea what the OP's program was doing, so I'm not going to split
hairs. I can't imagine why one would like to mass-close an arbitrary set
of file descriptors, and I think APIs like
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:25 AM, fl rxjw...@gmail.com wrote:
I am still new to Python. How to get the sorted dictionary output:
{1: 'D', 2: 'B', 3: 'A', 4: 'E', 5: 'B'}
Since dictionaries don't actually have any sort of order to them, the
best thing to do is usually to simply display it in
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Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
Your message arrived as I was just starting on this issue, wondering whether
the exclusion of threading and queue blocks is proper and wishing for an easy
test example, such as you provided. It verifies the issue in 3.x. It also
answers the question:
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 7:27 AM, fl rxjw...@gmail.com wrote:
I just see the tutorial says Python can return value in function, it does
not say multiple data results return situation. In C, it is possible.
How about Python on a multiple data return requirement?
Technically, neither C nor Python
R. David Murray added the comment:
No, the point is to do best practical error recovery when faced with dirty
data that may be dirty in various ways, and it doesn't really matter whether it
is http headers or email headers. A line with leading whitespace is treated as
part of the preceding
Martin Panter added the comment:
Regarding the suggested fix for Python 2, make sure it does not prematurely end
the parsing on empty folded lines (having only tabs and spaces in them). E.g.
according to RFC 7230 this should be a single header field:
bHeader: obsolete but\r\n
b\r\n
b
Folks, I'm not interested in rehashing this. I don't know what all the
open file descriptors are. Some/many/most will have been opened by
underlying C++ libraries and will not have been opened by code at the
Python level. I do think the addition of an os.fsync() attempt on each
file descriptor
On 2015-06-02, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry. I meant object in the sense of OOP: something you might
extend or make a derived class with.
I'm not sure you get to define which properties of objects you want
not to count.
Accepting for the sake of argument that something to
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David Bolen added the comment:
Oops, sorry, I had just followed the commit comment to this issue. For the
record here, it looks like Benjamin has committed an update (5e8fa1b13516) that
resolves the problem.
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Then you may fire when ready.
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Nous disions que tu aurais probablement à valider ce changement, mais que nous
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In 3ada3275-68c9-421c-aa19-53c312c42...@googlegroups.com fl
rxjw...@gmail.com writes:
I find the following results are interesting, but I don't know the difference
between list() and list.
'list()' invokes the list class, which creates and returns a new list.
Since you haven't passed any
Alain Ketterlin al...@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid:
Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net writes:
First, if close() fails, what's a poor program to do?
Warn the user? Not assume everything went well? It all depends on the
application, and what the file descriptor represents.
The problem
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Hmm. Looks like the fix in setuptools/pkg_resources is 17.0. [1] The bundled
pip to which we just updated is 7.0.3, which appears to bundle pkg_resources
15.0. [2] So unless I've misunderstood, the hack will have to linger for a bit
longer.
Here's a patch for
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New changeset c835dd16539a by Yury Selivanov in branch '3.5':
Issue 24365: Conditionalize PEP 489 additions to the stable ABI
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/c835dd16539a
New changeset fd265fa89c36 by Yury Selivanov in branch 'default':
Issue 24365: Merge 3.5
On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 2:22:02 AM UTC-7, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Sota-apina nakataan raastimeen.
Apelle pane emit.
Saarnaa takanani paatos.
(= The war monkey will be chucked into a grater.
Hand the pistils to father-in-law.
Pathos does preach
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:27 PM, fl rxjw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I just see the tutorial says Python can return value in function, it does
not say multiple data results return situation. In C, it is possible.
How about Python on a multiple data return requirement?
Thanks,
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rxjw...@gmail.com writes:
Hi,
I just see the tutorial says Python can return value in function, it does
not say multiple data results return situation. In C, it is possible.
How about Python on a multiple data return requirement?
ppperry added the comment:
This problem also occurs in other situati, such as when trying to get items
from an empty queue
import Queue
Q = Queue.Queue()
q.get_nowait()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File pyshell#16, line 1, in module
q.get_nowait()
Empty
In that case, it doesn't
Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid:
On 2015-06-02, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
Accepting for the sake of argument that something to be subclassed
is a reasonable definition of object,
Huh? You can't subclass an object. You can subclass a Class.
More to the point: you don't
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On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 2:22:02 AM UTC-7, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Sota-apina nakataan raastimeen.
Apelle pane emit.
Saarnaa takanani paatos.
(= The war monkey will be chucked into a grater.
Hand the pistils to
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Here's a patch that adds stores the hash on each node. This eliminates the
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Hi,
I find the following results are interesting, but I don't know the difference
between list() and list.
nums=list()
nums
[]
xx=list
xx
type 'list'
nums
[]
print(xx)
type 'list'
print(nums)
[]
Could you tell me that?
Thanks,
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 2:27:37 PM UTC-7, fl wrote:
Hi,
I just see the tutorial says Python can return value in function, it does
not say multiple data results return situation. In C, it is possible.
How about Python on a multiple data return requirement?
Thanks,
You return a
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Etienne Le Sueur added the comment:
Thanks, I had missed that message.
On 6/2/15 4:39 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
R. David Murray added the comment:
Yes, this is fixed, as the issue resolution says. If you are curious about
the fix, follow the links to the commits starting in msg197116.
Larry Hastings added the comment:
If I understand this correctly, I can ignore everything up to May 2015, as it
has to do with line-reading a compressed binary file (!) being slow.
Then, Martin Panter proposes a new optimization in May 2015, which is to simply
add __iter__ methods to
R. David Murray added the comment:
I think there may be a way to accomplish this in a reasonably straightforward
fashion in python3 given that feedparser has an 'unreadline' function. The
python2 case is probably going to be a more complicated change. And I agree
that multiple lines should
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[DEBUG ON]
some_code
(debugger closed before pressing any buttons)
[DEBUG OFF]
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This looks good to me. Larry would probably have to validate it for 3.5,
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Hi,
I just see the tutorial says Python can return value in function, it does
not say multiple data results return situation. In C, it is possible.
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:33 PM, fl rxjw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I find the following results are interesting, but I don't know the difference
between list() and list.
nums=list()
nums
[]
xx=list
xx
type 'list'
nums
[]
print(xx)
type 'list'
print(nums)
[]
Could you tell
Larry Hastings added the comment:
Sounds okay in theory. Is the bug in question now tested in our regression
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Cory Benfield added the comment:
This is one of those bugs that's actually super tricky to correctly fix.
The correct path is to have the goal of conservatively accepting as many
headers as possible. Probably this means looking ahead to the next few lines
and seeing if they appear to roughly
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New changeset 19d613c2cd5f by Yury Selivanov in branch '3.5':
Issue 24342: Let wrapper set by sys.set_coroutine_wrapper fail gracefully
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/19d613c2cd5f
New changeset 8a6db1679a23 by Yury Selivanov in branch 'default':
Issue 24342:
New submission from Roundup Robot:
New changeset 035aa81c2ba8 by Yury Selivanov in branch '3.3':
Issue 24366: Indent code (thanks to li4ick for reporting).
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/035aa81c2ba8
New changeset 95d1f38e540e by Yury Selivanov in branch '3.4':
Issue 24366: Merge 3.3
Changes by Yury Selivanov yseliva...@gmail.com:
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resolution: - fixed
stage: - resolved
status: open - closed
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