Yes, I said Pythons plural :-)
For those wanting to use Python on .Net or Mono, there is some good news.
Firstly, the venerable old "Python for .Net" project is still alive, and now
supports up to Python 3.5 on .Net or Mono. PythonNet, as this is known,
integrates the regular CPython interpreter
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 01:20 pm, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> so ultimately, it all comes down to testing anyway.
>
> All??
Ultimately, yes. It all comes down to testing. How else do you know that
your program to flernge the widget *actually* flernges the widget or not?
> There is a famous quote by Dijk
On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 8:59:10 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> >> so ultimately, it all comes down to testing anyway.
> >
> > All??
> >
> > There is a famous quote by Dijkstra:
> > «Testing shows the presence, not the absence of bugs»
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> so ultimately, it all comes down to testing anyway.
>
> All??
>
> There is a famous quote by Dijkstra:
> «Testing shows the presence, not the absence of bugs»
>
> Or if you prefer things of a more ‘practical’ (so-called_ nature:
> http://www.t
On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 8:42:21 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> > Far more often I'm bitten by the dynamic nature of Python (would happen
> > in any dynamic language). I'll be using a particular member attribute
> > which I acciden
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Far more often I'm bitten by the dynamic nature of Python (would happen
> in any dynamic language). I'll be using a particular member attribute
> which I accidentally misspell somewhere and sometimes that results in
> silent failure. Some
On 07/24/2016 07:14 PM, BartC wrote:
> I've done little Python coding but still, having to use kid gloves for
> indents does figure quite a bit in that.
>
> I can give some more examples but I'll probably be told that I'm using
> the wrong tools! Which suggest there is a problem, but the effort
On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 1:55:18 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thursday 30 June 2016 12:13, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > In particular the question: "Are real numbers really real?" is where it
> > starts off... http://blog.languager.org/2015/03/cs-history-0.html
>
> The pre-history of
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:13 am, BartC wrote:
> A solid end-of-block symbol (as you get with 'else' and 'except' because
> then you KNOW that's the end of that block) would have been welcome with
> the Python indent scheme.
A solid end-of-block symbol would have been entire redundant and
unnecessary
BartC writes:
> On 25/07/2016 01:40, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> > What's your experience? How often has this caused you trouble, and
> > what proportion is it of all the Python programming you've done?
>
> I've done little Python coding
Then you are not in a position to make the prnouncements about
On 25/07/2016 01:40, Gregory Ewing wrote:
BartC wrote:
So I still think it's fragile, meaning you have to take a lot of extra
care.
The practical experience of a very large number of Python
programmers suggests that it requires very little additional
care over and above that normally require
BartC wrote:
(They don't need to be elaborate to start being confusing. Take 'int
*a[]' and 'int (*a)[]'; one of these is an array of pointers, the other
a pointer to an array. Quite different! But which is which?
Where have you seen 'int (*a)[]' used? I don't think I've
ever seen any real-lif
On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 1:33:48 AM UTC+5:30, BartC wrote:
> On 24/07/2016 20:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:14 AM, BartC wrote:
>
> > A skilled craftsman in any field will choose to use quality tools.
>
> Materials (ie. languages) are important too.
>
> > So why do
BartC wrote:
On 24/07/2016 14:24, Chris Angelico wrote:
No, it's an example of how *mixing tabs and spaces* can go wrong. And
in fact will always go wrong unless you legislate the width of a tab.
That's easy to say. How do you actually ensure that they aren't mixed?
The software may not high
Presume you're talking about python idle IDE?
Forget it, and, like said, I use edSharp programmers text editor, and
work from command line/console when want to test/run my code.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 20
What part is not accessible?
Ask since while haven't really gone past 3.4 and 3.5.1, at times, I
generally work with specific text/code editors, and the command line
window, and this works fine for me with both NVDA, and jaws 17 at times.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"R
Vasiliy Faronov writes:
> If I simply depend on enum34, it will install a module named `enum`
> even in Python 3.4+ environments, and that could shadow the stdlib
> module.
As far as I know, ‘enum34’ is intended to provide all the same features
as the latest Python 3 standard library's ‘enum’ li
On 24/07/2016 22:08, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:03 AM, BartC wrote:
Perhaps because I prefer to use my own languages and I don't have anyone
writing the specialist tools for me that would be necessary.
So because you've chosen to use your own languages, you are frustrat
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:04 AM, josphine said
wrote:
> I have downloaded python3.6 and found it is not accessible with jaws 17.
> So, is there any skripts for jaws for that?
Exactly what did you download, and where from?
ChrisA
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:03 AM, BartC wrote:
> On 24/07/2016 20:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:14 AM, BartC wrote:
>
>
>> A skilled craftsman in any field will choose to use quality tools.
>
> Materials (ie. languages) are important too.
Materials, tools, same differe
Hi,
How are you running Python - via Command Prompt, perhaps? It might be better
to ask a list like program-l (a dedicated programming list for blind devs).
Cheers,
Joseph
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Hi all,
I'm building a Python library where I want to use Python 3.4-style
enums. Because I need to support Python 2.7, I'm considering using
enum34 [1]. But I'm not sure how to do this:
If I simply depend on enum34, it will install a module named `enum`
even in Python 3.4+ environments, and that
Hello,
I have downloaded python3.6 and found it is not accessible with jaws 17.
So, is there any skripts for jaws for that?
Or any suggestions?
Every guidance will highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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On 24/07/2016 20:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:14 AM, BartC wrote:
A skilled craftsman in any field will choose to use quality tools.
Materials (ie. languages) are important too.
So why do you use
"dumb editor" as a line of argument, rather than getting a smarter
edi
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:14 AM, BartC wrote:
> OK. I understand that it is not possible to point out any kind of weakness
> of a language (any language not just Python!) because the counter-argument
> is always going to be about:
>
> Use syntax highlighting, use a smart editor, use a version cont
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:14:10 +0100, BartC wrote:
> On 24/07/2016 15:51, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:44 AM, BartC wrote:
>>> Your attention is diverted, you're doing something on your desk, but
>>> you hit one of the keys by mistake. You might have pressed Delete or
>>> you
I might point out something that captures something about pass: it is made
to do extra duty in web2py, which is meant to shield students from some of
the more preventable complexities of a LUM CLI, and you don't easily indent
code the way that Vim and Emacs, let alone a full IDE besides the IDE
nat
On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 6:09:40 AM UTC-7, BartC wrote:
> On 24/07/2016 11:45, BartC wrote:
> > On 24/07/2016 11:35, BartC wrote:
>
> > 'end' to terminate a block can be emulated of course:
> >
> > end=0
> >
> > def fn(a):
> > if a<=1:
> > return 1
> > else:
> > return fn(a-
On 24/07/2016 15:51, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:44 AM, BartC wrote:
Your attention is diverted, you're doing something on your desk, but you hit
one of the keys by mistake. You might have pressed Delete or you might not.
You look at the screen which has a 5000-line program
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:44 AM, BartC wrote:
> Your attention is diverted, you're doing something on your desk, but you hit
> one of the keys by mistake. You might have pressed Delete or you might not.
> You look at the screen which has a 5000-line program open, and you see this
> (borrowing you
On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 3:45:40 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Rustom Mody writes:
>
> > For a long time the re → dfa transformation went and was taught the
> > laborious
> > route:
> > re → nfa-with-ε-transitions → nfa-without-ε-transitions → dfa
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T
On 24/07/2016 13:17, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:35 pm, BartC wrote:
Given an otherwise correctly typed program that compiles with no errors,
then it is very easy (if Backspace or Delete is inadvertently pressed
for example), for an indent to disappear without your noticing,
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:05 am, BartC wrote:
>> No, it's an example of how *mixing tabs and spaces* can go wrong. And
>> in fact will always go wrong unless you legislate the width of a tab.
>
> That's easy to say. How do you actually ensure that they aren't mixed?
> The software may not highlight
On 24 July 2016 at 14:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Maybe the people who are most worried about this can enact a
> simple rule: no dedent without a blank line? That can easily be
> verified by a script, and it'd protect against most of the given
> examples. It's not too much effort (after any reason
On 24/07/2016 14:24, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:09 PM, BartC wrote:
Actually this is a good example of how tabs can go wrong (and how the tab
system /is/ fragile - sorry but it is).
I almost certainly wrote the above using 4 and 8 spaces for the tabs, except
for the 'retu
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Marco Sulla
wrote:
> On 24 July 2016 at 14:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Maybe the people who are most worried about this can enact a
>> simple rule: no dedent without a blank line? That can easily be
>> verified by a script, and it'd protect against most of the g
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:09 PM, BartC wrote:
> Actually this is a good example of how tabs can go wrong (and how the tab
> system /is/ fragile - sorry but it is).
>
> I almost certainly wrote the above using 4 and 8 spaces for the tabs, except
> for the 'return 1' where I must have used an actua
On 24/07/2016 11:45, BartC wrote:
On 24/07/2016 11:35, BartC wrote:
'end' to terminate a block can be emulated of course:
end=0
def fn(a):
if a<=1:
return 1
else:
return fn(a-1)
end
end
Actually this is a good example of how tabs can go wrong (and how the
tab syste
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> (Do other professions make arguments like this? Do carpenters, say, argue
> against nail guns because "well if you accidentally hold a loaded nail gun
> to your head, then press the trigger, bad things will happen"? Or is it
> just program
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:35 pm, BartC wrote:
>
>> I didn't want to get into this subject again, but Python's indentation
>> scheme is fragile.
>
> *shrug*
>
> Okay, it's fragile. In 20 (give or take a couple) years of programming in
> Python,
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:35 pm, BartC wrote:
> I didn't want to get into this subject again, but Python's indentation
> scheme is fragile.
*shrug*
Okay, it's fragile. In 20 (give or take a couple) years of programming in
Python, do you know how many times this fragility has been an *actual*
proble
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 8:45 PM, BartC wrote:
> 'end' to terminate a block can be emulated of course:
>
> end=0
>
> def fn(a):
> if a<=1:
> return 1
> else:
> return fn(a-1)
> end
> end
>
> And in this example it wouldn't impact on performance as it is not
> evaluated.
On 24/07/2016 11:35, BartC wrote:
On 23/07/2016 16:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In any case, using "end" instead of "pass" is a poor tradeoff. Instead of
needing to use "pass" (say) one time in a thousand when it is needed, you
would need to use "end" 999 times in a thousand when it *isn't* need
On 23/07/2016 16:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:06 am, BartC wrote:
pass can only do so much. If doesn't help here:
for x in sequence:
print("Something")
print("Something else")
Was the second print meant to be indented as well or not?
True. But once you start w
Rustom Mody writes:
> For a long time the re → dfa transformation went and was taught the laborious
> route:
> re → nfa-with-ε-transitions → nfa-without-ε-transitions → dfa
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson's_construction
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerset_construction
>
> Now ther
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