Re: ESR "Waning of Python" post

2018-10-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 4:21 PM Gregory Ewing wrote: > > Paul Rubin wrote [concerning GIL removal]: > > It's weird that Python's designers were willing to mess up the user > > language in the 2-to-3 transition but felt that the C API had to be kept > > sarcosanct. Huge opportunities were blown at

Re: ESR "Waning of Python" post

2018-10-10 Thread Gregory Ewing
Paul Rubin wrote [concerning GIL removal]: It's weird that Python's designers were willing to mess up the user language in the 2-to-3 transition but felt that the C API had to be kept sarcosanct. Huge opportunities were blown at multiple levels. You say that as though we had a solution for GIL

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Gregory Ewing
Thomas Jollans wrote: Sure it is. He's contrasting *private* gain with *public* loss. If there is any ambiguity here it is whether there is a threat *of* a public loss, or *to* a public loss ^_^ I don't think you've spotted the error yet. I'm trying to provide a clue as to which word you need

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Gregory Ewing
Chris Angelico wrote: You mean at the level of words, or sentences? I mean at the word level, so that a dumb algorithm can find spelling errors. Auto-correcting errors at the semantic level would require considerably better AI than we have at the moment. -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mail

Re: Python doesn't install

2018-10-10 Thread Ryan Johnson
Need more info than that. For a problem as unusual as that, it'll take a lot of scrutiny to find the problem. Dump as much info as you can about your system environment and your existing installations and upload them to https://hastebin.com/ (secure and private text host). Include relevant screens

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 10 October 2018 14:27:32 Larry Martell wrote: > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram wrote: > > I will declare at the outset, I am a lurker. I don't know enough > > about Python to give advice that I could 100% guarantee would be > > helpful. > > > > There have been two recen

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 11/10/2018 01:26, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:09 AM Thomas Jollans wrote: On 10/10/2018 23:32, Gregory Ewing wrote: Rhodri James wrote: I'm a great fan of erroneous spelling and this blog needs a spelling check as this quote shows "Mathematica exemplifies the horde o

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:09 AM Thomas Jollans wrote: > > On 10/10/2018 23:32, Gregory Ewing wrote: > > Rhodri James wrote: > >>> I'm a great fan of erroneous spelling and this blog needs a spelling > >>> check as this quote shows > >>> > >>> "Mathematica exemplifies the horde of new Vandals whos

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 10/10/2018 23:32, Gregory Ewing wrote: Rhodri James wrote: I'm a great fan of erroneous spelling and this blog needs a spelling check as this quote shows "Mathematica exemplifies the horde of new Vandals whose pursuit of private gain threatens a far greater pubic loss–the collapse of soci

Re: Python3 packages installation

2018-10-10 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018, Jim wrote: I think you have to first install a package called 'python3-pip'. At least that's what I had to do on Ubuntu. Jim, Well, it did not occur to me to try a hyphenated name. I'm sure that's the solution. Thanks for the pointer! Best regards, Rich -- https://mai

Re: Python3 packages installation

2018-10-10 Thread Jim
On 10/10/2018 03:05 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:   Here, both python-2.7.15 and python3-3.6.6 are installed. Using pip (which I understand works with both python versions) I was able to install ipython, matplotlib, numpy, and pandas. They're all in /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages.   Now I want

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 8:36 AM Gregory Ewing wrote: > > BTW, an automatic spelling checker wouldn't have helped here. > We really need to redesign English spelling so that it has > error correction built in. You mean at the level of words, or sentences? A sentence already has enough redundancy t

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Gregory Ewing
Rhodri James wrote: I'm a great fan of erroneous spelling and this blog needs a spelling check as this quote shows "Mathematica exemplifies the horde of new Vandals whose pursuit of private gain threatens a far greater pubic loss–the collapse of social systems that took centuries to build."

Re: ESR "Waning of Python" post

2018-10-10 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2018-10-09, Paul Rubin wrote: > If anyone cares, Eric Raymond posted a big rant saying > basically he's giving up on Python and porting a big program > he's working on to Go. Reasons he gives are > performance (Go is 40x faster for his app) > memory footprint (high overhead of simple Python ob

Re: Creating dice game : NEED HELP ON CHECKING ELEMENTS IN A LIST

2018-10-10 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
*if any(roll != 1 and roll != 5 for roll in result):* another extract of py's beauty! Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ Mauritius -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Python3 packages installation

2018-10-10 Thread Rich Shepard
Here, both python-2.7.15 and python3-3.6.6 are installed. Using pip (which I understand works with both python versions) I was able to install ipython, matplotlib, numpy, and pandas. They're all in /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages. Now I want to install the same packages for python3 so th

Re: Creating dice game : NEED HELP ON CHECKING ELEMENTS IN A LIST

2018-10-10 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2018-10-06, eliteanarchyra...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, I am new to python and would like someones help on the > following: > > After rolling 5 dice and putting the results into a list, I > need to check if any dice is not a 1 or 5. if any(roll != 1 and roll != 5 for roll in result): > # - T

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Larry Martell
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM Bruce Coram wrote: > > I will declare at the outset, I am a lurker. I don't know enough about > Python to give advice that I could 100% guarantee would be helpful. > > There have been two recent threads that summarise for me where the > Python Mailing List has lost

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Ethan Furman
On 10/10/2018 11:07 AM, Rhodri James wrote: Now I've had a chance to go back through the archive (it's been that kind of day at work), I'm going to have to recant.  I can't find anything that Rick wrote in the week or two before the ban Where are you looking? -- ~Ethan~ -- https://mail.pytho

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread codewizard
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:09:41 PM UTC-4, Rhodri James wrote: > On 10/10/18 08:32, Robin Becker wrote: > > > > I'm a great fan of erroneous spelling and this blog needs a spelling > > check as this quote shows > > > > "Mathematica exemplifies the horde of new Vandals whose pursuit of

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread jfine2358
Rhodri James wrote: > Robin Becker wrote: > > I'm a great fan of erroneous spelling and this blog needs a spelling > > check as this quote shows [Paul Romer's blog] > > "Mathematica exemplifies the horde of new Vandals whose pursuit of > > private gain threatens a far greater pubic loss–the colla

Re: Python doesn't install

2018-10-10 Thread Daan Kahmann
Op woensdag 10 oktober 2018 19:20:42 UTC+2 schreef Terry Reedy: > On 10/10/2018 9:53 AM, daankahman...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I have an annoying problem, I can download Python (from python.org) but it > > won't install on my laptop. If I try to open the installer, it closes > > again. I also don

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Rhodri James
On 09/10/18 12:12, Rhodri James wrote: On 08/10/18 20:46, Ethan Furman wrote: Banning Rick Johnson: Hopefully no explanation needed [2]. Explanation/justification needed, but given :-)  Again, I killfiled Rick ages ago, and I agree his language does justify banning. Now

Re: Python doesn't install

2018-10-10 Thread Terry Reedy
On 10/10/2018 9:53 AM, daankahman...@gmail.com wrote: I have an annoying problem, I can download Python (from python.org) but it won't install on my laptop. If I try to open the installer, it closes again. I also don't get a error message. I'm using windows 10. I already tried most of the obv

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Rhodri James
On 10/10/18 08:32, Robin Becker wrote: On 10/10/2018 02:17, Terry Reedy wrote: https://paulromer.net/jupyter-mathematica-and-the-future-of-the-research-paper/ Jupyter, Mathematica, and the Future of the Research Paper Paul Romer, new Nobel prize winner in economics, for research on how ideas

Re: From Mathematica to Jypyter

2018-10-10 Thread Robin Becker
On 10/10/2018 02:17, Terry Reedy wrote: https://paulromer.net/jupyter-mathematica-and-the-future-of-the-research-paper/ Jupyter, Mathematica, and the Future of the Research Paper Paul Romer, new Nobel prize winner in economics, for research on how ideas interact with economic growth, explained la

Paul Romer, 2018 Economics Nobel Laureate, uses Python and Jupyter

2018-10-10 Thread jfine2358
Terry Reedy wrote: > https://paulromer.net/jupyter-mathematica-and-the-future-of-the-research-paper/ > Jupyter, Mathematica, and the Future of the Research Paper > Paul Romer, new Nobel prize winner in economics, for research on how > ideas interact with economic growth, explained last April why

Re: Python on 10.14 Mojave

2018-10-10 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 2018-10-10 14:52, Kevin Walzer wrote: > I'm trying to build Python 3.7.0 on macOS 10.14, and Tkinter is not > linking to my installation of Tcl/Tk 8.6.8 in /Library/Frameworks. > Instead it is linking to the ancient 8.5 Tk installed in > /System/Library/Frameworks. My usual way of forcing Python

Python doesn't install

2018-10-10 Thread daankahmann01
Hi Guys! I have an annoying problem, I can download Python (from python.org) but it won't install on my laptop. If I try to open the installer, it closes again. I also don't get a error message. I'm using windows 10. I already tried most of the obvious things like restarting, deleting the progr

Python on 10.14 Mojave

2018-10-10 Thread Kevin Walzer
I'm trying to build Python 3.7.0 on macOS 10.14, and Tkinter is not linking to my installation of Tcl/Tk 8.6.8 in /Library/Frameworks. Instead it is linking to the ancient 8.5 Tk installed in /System/Library/Frameworks. My usual way of forcing Python to link to my installation is to edit setup.

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Dan Purgert
jf...@ms4.hinet.net wrote: > Chris Angelico at 2018.10.10 UTC+8 AM 10:31:33 wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:21 PM wrote: >> > [...] 3) Google group is a more free land to live. >> > >> > >> >> Well, just be aware that a lot of people block ALL posts that come >> from Google Groups. [...] > >

Re: Observations on the List - "Be More Kind"

2018-10-10 Thread Antoon Pardon
On 10-10-18 04:18, jf...@ms4.hinet.net wrote: > Richard Damon at 2018.10.9 UTC+8 PM 8:40:29 wrote: >> Moderators are generally appointed by those who do 'pay the bill' for >> the mailing list they are moderators for, and serve at their pleasure. >> Mailing List are generally 'private property', tho

Re: Test before PR

2018-10-10 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
ok, thank you! Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ Mauritius -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list