Re: Alternate indent proposal for python 3000

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Apr, 00:54, Dan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We wouldn't even need that. Just a new source encoding. Then we could write: # -*- coding: end-block -*- [...] Someone at EuroPython 2007 did a lightning talk showing working code which provided C-style block structuring using this

Re: Python make like tools (was Re: [ANN] DoIt 0.1.0 Released (build tool))

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Apr, 16:51, Ville M. Vainio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be more convenient to provide syntax like this: @task(create_build_folder) @depend(dep1 some_other_dep) def buildf(): buildFolder = jsPath + build create_folder(buildFolder) I'd want to make the grunt work a bit

Re: py3k s***s

2008-04-17 Thread Paul Boddie
On 16 Apr, 15:16, Marco Mariani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean Ruby's track in providing backward compatibility is better than Python's? Googling for that a bit, I would reckon otherwise. So would I, but then it isn't the Ruby developers that are *promising* to break backward

Re: object-relational mappers

2008-04-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On 2 Apr, 15:50, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Quoting hdante] Seriously, you'll forget there's a relational database below. (there are even intefaces for relational lists, trees, etc.) My experience with this sort of thing is that it is a bit like morphine. It can feel

Re: Parsing HTML?

2008-04-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On 3 Apr, 06:59, Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to parse an HTML file. I want to retrieve all of the text inside a certain tag that I find with XPath. The DOM seems to make this available with the innerHTML element, but I haven't found a way to do it in Python. With libxml2dom

Re: Licensing

2008-03-31 Thread Paul Boddie
On 31 Mar, 09:36, Duncan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a printed copy, but Google Books has it (not sure which edition I found) and page xix says: Given the nature of the cookbook, we wanted the recipes to be usable under any circumstances where Python could be used. In other

Re: Licensing

2008-03-30 Thread Paul Boddie
On 29 Mar, 20:24, DS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm hoping someone will point me in the right direction. I'm getting ready to publish a first open-source project written in python. I am planning to use GPLas the license. However, in my code,

Re: html DOM

2008-03-30 Thread Paul Boddie
On 30 Mar, 01:09, Sam the Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a package that would allow me the same or similar functionality for modifying html code via the DOM model as I have in JavaScript ? I'd like to parse an html file, then modify it and save the result. You could try libxml2dom

Vote for a New EuroPython Logo!

2008-03-30 Thread Paul Boddie
Earlier this year, the organisers of EuroPython (the annual European Python community conference) decided it was time to update the conference logo: the current logo has been in use since EuroPython began back in 2002. We asked for and received many great submissions for a new logo, and we've made

Re: Psyco alternative

2008-03-28 Thread Paul Boddie
On 27 Mar, 15:19, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Psyco maintenance and further development] Nope, but I heard through the grapevine that while it won't be supported for all times to come, a new version is in the making. But ultimately, the author says that the approach is

Re: Removal of tkinter from python 3.0? [was: Fate of the repr module in Py3.0]

2008-03-20 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Mar, 01:43, Simon Forman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking of volunteering to port Tkinter to Python 3.0, I hadn't noticed that there was any discussion of removing it. That's because the forum for discussing these things wasn't mentioned on comp.lang.python until two days ago.

Re: How to get an XML DOM while offline?

2008-03-19 Thread Paul Boddie
On 19 Mar, 16:27, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: william tanksley wrote: I want to parse my iTunes Library xml. All was well, until I unplugged and left for the train (where I get most of my personal projects done). All of a sudden, I discovered that apparently the presence of a

Re: PyCon Feedback and Volunteers (Re: Pycon disappointment)

2008-03-17 Thread Paul Boddie
On 17 Mar, 02:39, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been to EuroPython even when it has been fairly nearby because the entrance fee was to high. But how do you help change something like that? You could join in and make your case. There was a more protracted discussion than

Re: PyCon Feedback and Volunteers (Re: Pycon disappointment)

2008-03-16 Thread Paul Boddie
On 17 Mar, 01:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: PyCon is what YOU make of it. If you want to change PyCon, propose a presentation or join the conference committee (concom) -- the latter only requires signing up for the pycon-organizers mailing list. This doesn't mean that we are

EuroPython 2008: A Call for Theme and Talk Suggestions

2008-03-13 Thread Paul Boddie
This year, the EuroPython conference will take up residence for the second time in Vilnius, Lithuania with the main programme of talks and events taking place on Monday 7th, Tuesday 8th and Wednesday 9th July, and with sprints continuing after the main programme until and including Saturday 12th

Re: Difference between 'function' and 'method'

2008-03-04 Thread Paul Boddie
On 4 Mar, 09:22, 甜瓜 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a big problem puzzles me for a long time. The core question is: How to dynamically create methods on a class or an instance? Let me state it step by step. 1. def gunc(self): pass class A(object): def func(self):

Re: RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On 2 Mar, 10:02, Kay Schluehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Mrz., 06:53, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the stated goals of the migration is that the '2to3' program will only migrate Python 2.6 code - Python 3.0 code. Yes, I know. Why? The master said so isn't an entirely

Re: tuples, index method, Python's design

2008-03-02 Thread Paul Boddie
On 2 Mar, 19:06, Alan Isaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 12th, 2007 at 10:05 PM Alan Isaac wrote: The avoidance of tuples, so carefully defended in other terms, is often rooted (I claim) in habits formed from need for list methods like ``index`` and ``count``. Indeed, I predict that

Re: Pythons Ladders

2008-02-28 Thread Paul Boddie
On 28 Feb, 21:08, Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my language concerning C++ as its turned the thread into something I did not intend. I merely wished to point out that Python was easier for me to learn than C++. To Schwab, its likely that Mark Lutz is simply a better instructor than

Re: Article of interest: Python pros/cons for the enterprise

2008-02-26 Thread Paul Boddie
On 25 Feb, 19:44, Nicola Musatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Witness the kind of libraries/framework that used to and still come with some commercial C+ + implementation, and even some free/open source ones; Boost, ACE and wxWidgets are the first that

Re: urllib slow on Leopard

2008-02-26 Thread Paul Boddie
On 24 Feb, 22:14, Stefan Behnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It likely tries to load the DTD in the background, which requires network access. http://www.w3.org/blog/systeam/2008/02/08/w3c_s_excessive_dtd_traffic This is principally concerned with the standard library XML modules, not

Re: PHP Developer highly interested in Python (web development) with some open questions...

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Boddie
On 24 Feb, 14:33, Tamer Higazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not true! you can disassemble the app and then have fun reading, not that easy. I simply want that nobody reads the sourcecode or better said the content of the python files I would have generated. Some quick answers:

Re: Article of interest: Python pros/cons for the enterprise

2008-02-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 22 Feb, 06:37, George Sakkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Rubin wrote: It just seems to me that there is a killer language just around the corner, with Python's ease-of-use but with a serious compile-time type system, maybe some kind of cross between ML and Python. Could Boo or Cobra

Re: Linux/Python Issues

2008-02-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Feb, 13:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re DLing source As a solution to the problem of wanting a program on my computer, it sucks. It doesn't suck if you're just installing one program, but if there are a lot of dependencies it can quickly suck, yes. Even with systems that

Re: Article of interest: Python pros/cons for the enterprise

2008-02-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Feb, 16:37, Nicola Musatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While attempting to dereference a null reference is a rather common mistake in languages such as Java and C# - I'm not sure about Python - the one invaluable guarantee provided by the garbage collector is the absence of *invalid*

Re: Why must implementing Python be hard unlike Scheme?

2008-02-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Feb, 18:28, John Nagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? It's not very difficult. Get a parser for LALR(1) grammars, like YACC or Bison, write a tokenizer that understands Python indentation, hook up a dictionary, and parse the thing into a tree. This is all covered in Compilers

Re: Article of interest: Python pros/cons for the enterprise

2008-02-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Feb, 19:22, Nicola Musatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 21, 6:31 pm, Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The main reason why C++ has declined in usage is because almost everything of practical value is optional. The main reason why C++ has declined in usage is because

Re: What's the standard for code docs?

2008-02-20 Thread Paul Boddie
On 20 Feb, 09:32, Paul McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use epydoc for pyparsing, and I really like the results. Just make sure that importing your modules doesn't really do anything substantial (like connect to db's, or run unit tests that run for hours); epydoc imports your code and then

Re: SOAP strategies

2008-02-19 Thread Paul Boddie
On 19 Feb, 16:59, Paul Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have I offended? My apologies if I have. I thought I showed that I had done some homework and used Google and did the other things to show that I was willing to put forth some effort. Please tell me if I have missed something. If I

Re: Linux/Python Issues

2008-02-18 Thread Paul Boddie
On 18 Feb, 16:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Boddie wrote: Here's one page which probably tells you stuff you already know: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Download Thank you! It says I need Python (which I've got) and the Python-devel package, which sounds like it might

Re: Linux/Python Issues

2008-02-17 Thread Paul Boddie
On 17 Feb, 20:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to Python.org, DL'd Python 2.5 source code per the usual inadequate instructions and ran the make files successfully (sort of). Python 2.5 works fine. But from Tkinter import * gets a What's Tkinter? message. IDLE's no where to be found. It

[issue2124] xml.sax and xml.dom fetch DTDs by default

2008-02-16 Thread Paul Boddie
Paul Boddie added the comment: (Andrew, thanks for making a bug, and apologies for not reporting this in a timely fashion.) Although an in-memory caching solution might seem to be sufficient, if one considers things like CGI programs, it's clear that such programs aren't going to benefit from

Re: bluetooth file transfer in python

2008-02-12 Thread Paul Boddie
On 12 Feb, 10:50, chartsoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a teacher and need to set up a computer with a bluetooth dongle to poll for mobile phones with bluetooth switched on in the area then send them a jpg file. I guess you'd use OBEX to send the file, specifically using the push mode of

Re: Why not a Python compiler?

2008-02-08 Thread Paul Boddie
On 8 Feb, 08:16, Arnaud Delobelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip more interesting considerations about compiling python] Please get back on topic. This discussion is about parsecs and wookies now. Yes, it's like the lower-value parts of Wikipedia have spilled out onto Usenet. ;-) But I

Re: Must COMMIT after SELECT (was: Very weird behavior in MySQLdb execute)

2008-02-07 Thread Paul Boddie
On 7 Feb, 08:52, Frank Aune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 February 2008 16:16:45 Paul Boddie wrote: Really, the rule is this: always (where the circumstances described above apply) make sure that you terminate a transaction before attempting to read committed, updated data

Re: Must COMMIT after SELECT

2008-02-07 Thread Paul Boddie
On 7 Feb, 14:29, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true, and your remarks clarify cursor usage in the DB API very well. Most people most of the time tend to ignore the existence of cursor.fetchmany() in the DB API, despite the fact that it can provide huge efficiency gains over

Re: Must COMMIT after SELECT (was: Very weird behavior in MySQLdb execute)

2008-02-06 Thread Paul Boddie
On 6 Feb, 16:04, Frank Aune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whenever I did a SELECT() on the first connection, the cursor would stop seeing new entries commited in the log table by the other connection. I always assumed you needed COMMIT() after adding new content to the database, not after every

Re: nonblocking read of one xml element?

2008-02-05 Thread Paul Boddie
On 5 Feb, 07:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm parsing a log file that's being written out in real time. logfile entrytimestamp123/timestampdetailsfoo/details /entry entrytimestamp456/timestampdetailsbar/details /entry --- no /logfile, coz the file hasn't yet been closed

Re: Is it explicitly specified?

2008-02-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On 3 Feb, 16:41, mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In one case, the collection attributes a specific meaning to attr=None, but the actual default for attr is something else. However, if an object explicitly wants to state that his attr=None (that is a valid value, and has specific meaning) I

Re: Linux Journal Survey

2008-02-02 Thread Paul Boddie
On 3 Feb, 00:45, Carl Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Java doesn't compile to ELF binaries, last time I checked. http://gcc.gnu.org/java/ Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Standardization: Wikipedia entry

2008-02-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On 1 Feb, 01:18, Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANSI standards are owned by ANSI or perhaps the accrediting body. In any case, electronic copies sell for $30. They cannot legally be accessed free as for the docs at python.org. Yes, you don't really want standardisation ANSI/ISO-style

Re: Problems installing Python on server

2008-01-31 Thread Paul Boddie
On 28 Jan, 22:28, Yansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked my hosting company if they would upgrade Python on my server to the latest version. They responded with: Sorry no. We tend to stick with what comes packaged with the unix distribution to ease maintenance issues. Which version are they

Re: Trying to understand Python web-development

2008-01-30 Thread Paul Boddie
On 29 Jan, 18:11, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know much php either, but running a php app seems straight forward enough. I think that this (the ease of PHP application deployment) is one of the things that keeps Python framework developers up at night, regardless of whether the

Re: Trying to understand Python web-development

2008-01-30 Thread Paul Boddie
On 30 Jan, 21:27, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all that posts. This thread has been helpful. I have seen a lot of posts about the importance of decoupling the deployment technologies from the framework technologies. This is how I have done that in PHP. I develop on my home

Re: Python System information

2008-01-28 Thread Paul Boddie
On 26 Jan, 15:58, Clement [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi friends, How can i get system information like CPU load and RAM usage in linux. Is there any packages for python One result lower than this thread in the Google search results for the query Python System Information is a reference to the

Re: Python Standardization: Wikipedia entry

2008-01-28 Thread Paul Boddie
On 28 Jan, 02:05, ajaksu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. Seems to me that Is X Standardized in the given context means having a formal, published standard issued by some Standards organization. While you can discuss the meaning of some so-called standards (like W3C's 'recommendations', RFCs,

Re: time.gmtime

2008-01-25 Thread Paul Boddie
On 25 Jan, 11:43, asit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we know that time.gmtime(secs) takes a parameter secs. what does this secs suggest ??What is it's significance ?? From the documentation [1] with some editing: gmtime([secs]) Convert a time expressed in seconds since the epoch to a time

Re: looking for a light weighted library/tool to write simple GUI above the text based application

2008-01-25 Thread Paul Boddie
On 25 Jan, 22:06, Lorenzo E. Danielsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you need then is something like SVGAlib (http;//svgalib.org). Only really old people like myself know that it exists. I've never heard of any Python bindings for it, but that might be where you come in. I haven't looked at

Re: just like Java (was :Re: translating Python to Assembler)

2008-01-25 Thread Paul Boddie
On 25 Jan, 14:05, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Heimes a écrit : No, that is not correct. Python code is compiled to Python byte code and execute inside a virtual machine just like Java or C#. I'm surprised you've not been flamed to death by now - last time

Re: Linux Journal Survey

2008-01-24 Thread Paul Boddie
On 24 Jan, 04:42, George Sakkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 8:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The annual Linux Journal survey is online now for any Linux users who want to vote for Python. http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006101 18. What is your favorite programming language?

Re: Problem with processing XML

2008-01-23 Thread Paul Boddie
On 23 Jan, 12:03, Stefan Behnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a discussion with Java people lately and they were all for Ruby, Groovy and similar languages, because they have curly braces and are easy to learn when you know Java. My take on that is: Python is easy to learn, full-stop.

Re: Is there a HTML parser who can reconstruct the original html EXACTLY?

2008-01-23 Thread Paul Boddie
On 23 Jan, 14:20, kliu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank u for your reply. but what I really need is the mapping between each DOM nodes and the corresponding original source segment. At the risk of promoting unfashionable DOM technologies, you can at least serialise fragments of the DOM in

Re: Problem with processing XML

2008-01-23 Thread Paul Boddie
On 23 Jan, 15:12, Stefan Behnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Boddie wrote: I'm not disputing the benefits of the ElementTree approach, but one has to recall that the DOM is probably the most widely used XML API out there (being the one most client-side developers are using) and together

Re: HTML parsing confusion

2008-01-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 22 Jan, 06:31, Alnilam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the noob question, but I've gone through the documentation on python.org, tried some of the diveintopython and boddie's examples, and looked through some of the numerous posts in this group on the subject and I'm still rather

Re: Problem with processing XML

2008-01-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 22 Jan, 15:11, John Carlyle-Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote some code that works on my Linux box using xml.dom.minidom, but it will not run on the windows box that I really need it on. Python 2.5.1 on both. On the windows machine, it's a clean install of the Python .msi from

Re: Processing XML that's embedded in HTML

2008-01-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 22 Jan, 17:57, Mike Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to parse a fairly complex HTML page that has XML embedded in it. I've done parsing before with the xml.dom.minidom module on just plain XML, but I cannot get it to work with this HTML page. It's HTML day on comp.lang.python

Re: Processing XML that's embedded in HTML

2008-01-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 22 Jan, 21:48, Mike Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 11:32 am, Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1]http://www.python.org/pypi/libxml2dom I must have tried this module quite a while ago since I already have it installed. I see you're the author of the module, so you can

Re: Using pickle for interprocess communication - some notes and things that ought to be documented.

2008-01-19 Thread Paul Boddie
On 19 Jan, 17:06, John Nagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Boddie wrote: Unlike your approach, pprocess employs the fork system call. Unfortunately, that's not portable. Python's fork() is Availability: Macintosh, Unix. I would have preferred to use fork(). There was a discussion

Re: Using pickle for interprocess communication - some notes and things that ought to be documented.

2008-01-18 Thread Paul Boddie
On 18 Jan, 07:32, John Nagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Processing is useful, but it uses named pipes and sockets, not ordinary pipes. Also, it has C code, so all the usual build and version problems apply. The pprocess module uses pickles over sockets, mostly because the asynchronous

Re: Perl Template Toolkit: Now in spicy new Python flavor

2008-01-17 Thread Paul Boddie
On 16 Jan, 21:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't claim a comprehensive familiarity with Python template offerings, but all of the packages approved for use at my previous workplace left me cold. There are a few offerings listed on this page:

Re: Python too slow?

2008-01-16 Thread Paul Boddie
On 16 Jan, 02:17, Jaimy Azle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, serious... what you've done was really, really cool... :) In practice, not that cool. ;-) I was expect there are nobody willing to do to have python runs Java Language (such as PyPy) over CPython. Perhaps your javaclass does not work

Re: Python too slow?

2008-01-15 Thread Paul Boddie
On 15 Jan, 08:33, Jaimy Azle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps in the future another sillly point could be added also, Java has Jython, while Python doesn't have some thing like PyJava or... perhaps Py-va (Python based Java Language). You could compile Java to CPython bytecode or, in the case

Re: where do my python files go in linux?

2008-01-14 Thread Paul Boddie
On 14 Jan, 08:47, A.T.Hofkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than re-inventing the wheel, please have a look at distutils: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-distutils.html It does most if not all of the things you want to do. If you want something more advanced, read about eggs. Although

Re: Python too slow?

2008-01-12 Thread Paul Boddie
On 12 Jan, 04:03, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: Given the way that people seem to use interpreted as a pejorative and a synonym for slow, I don't doubt it one bit. Especially in management, where they might be making technical judgments on the basis of half-

Re: Detecting OS platform in Python

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Boddie
On 11 Jan, 04:14, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:37:59 -0800 (PST) Devraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Python program needs reliably detect which Operating System its being run on, infact it even needs to know which distribution of say Linux its running on. The

Re: Python too slow?

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Boddie
On 10 Jan, 21:47, Ed Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see how the existence of JIT compilers in some Java VM changes anything to the fact that both Java (by language specification) and CPython use the byte-code/VM scheme. While your

Re: virtualpython / workingenv / virtualenv ... shouldn't this be part of python

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Boddie
On 11 Jan, 21:44, Goldfish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about security holes, like a malicious version of socket getting downloaded into a user's directory, and overriding the default, safe version? Don't forget that in your PEP. As Christian points out, there are various exploitable

Re: how to open a file in some application using Tkinter i am using TKINTER to create GUI application i want to know how to open a word document in open office or any other applicatio

2008-01-09 Thread Paul Boddie
On 9 Jan, 09:24, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Opening files in applications] on windows, you can use the os.startfile function: import os os.startfile(mydocument.doc) (this is the same as double-clicking on a document in the file explorer) on other platforms, use

Re: 2D Game Development in Python

2007-12-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Des, 02:16, PatrickMinnesota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been playing with Pygame some in my late night hobby time. I'm wondering what else I should be looking at since I'm not all that impressed with Pygame so far. Maybe it is the right library, but maybe it's not. Please don't

Re: Best way to protect my new commercial software.

2007-12-18 Thread Paul Boddie
On 18 Des, 22:38, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: I dare say that European countries which have had automatic copyright longer than the US have seen far more of their national heritage (early film, photographs and the like) rot away. Indeed. One of the most famous

Re: Gnu/Linux dialogue boxes in python

2007-12-17 Thread Paul Boddie
On 2 Des, 07:02, Donn Ingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Boddie wrote: but I'll either upload a new release, or I'll make the code available separately. Thanks, give me a shout when you do -- if you remember! I've now uploaded a new release of the desktop module which is now, in fact

Re: Best way to protect my new commercial software.

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Boddie
On Dec 14, 9:08 am, farsheed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me be clear for you: there are someone in my company who love to use my software in other companies that she works there also. and because it is an inhouse tool, my CEO wanted me to protect it from stealing. and really we havn't time to

Re: Improvements to the Python core

2007-12-13 Thread Paul Boddie
On Dec 13, 3:56 am, Christian Heimes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Boddie wrote: Then you haven't been reading the right IRC channel recently. ;-) What's the right channel? I'm on #python and #python-dev But where are people who might know Psyco likely to hang out? ;-) Anyway, it remains

Re: Counter-spam: Change the subject

2007-12-12 Thread Paul Boddie
On Dec 12, 5:17 am, Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know, that is unusual behavior. In Outlook Express and, I believe, other readers I have used, the original subject is the one displayed. And if I have already downloaded the original title and marked the post as read, any

Re: Improvements to the Python core (was: Is a real C-Python possible?)

2007-12-12 Thread Paul Boddie
On 12 Des, 18:58, Christian Heimes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see an indication that anybody but the creator of Psyco does understand the code base. *g* Then you haven't been reading the right IRC channel recently. ;-) Guido has stated his opinion about optimizations more than once. My

Re: xpath and current python xml libraries

2007-12-11 Thread Paul Boddie
On Dec 11, 2:03 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PyXML seems to be long gone. Is lxml the way to go if i want to have xpath supported? The libxml2dom package (which I maintain) also supports XPath and is also based on libxml2. If you want to migrate code from using PyXML without too much effort, it

Re: Best way to protect my new commercial software.

2007-12-10 Thread Paul Boddie
On Dec 10, 9:55 am, farsheed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. But I ask this question technically, I mean I know nothing is uncrackable and popular softwares are not well protected. But my software is not that type and I don't want this specific software popular. Understood. It is some kind

Re: Is a real C-Python possible?

2007-12-10 Thread Paul Boddie
On Dec 9, 10:43 pm, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blog.snaplogic.org/?p=55 There's some choice nonsense here, albeit on a different topic: Coding for wxwidgets, using a QT or GTK bridge, or using TCL/TK is hardly an optimal solution when writing complex graphical applications, and Java

Re: Gnu/Linux dialogue boxes in python

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Boddie
On 7 Des, 17:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you built a GUI with wxPython, it would just use the OS's native dialogs unless it didn't have one and then it would use a generic dialog. I would think creating a installer with wxPython and threads would be fairly trivial. I'm not convinced that

Re: sqlite or xml

2007-12-07 Thread Paul Boddie
On 7 Des, 09:31, Kelie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, now you're making it hard for me to decide again. :-) Talking about comfortable, I do like Amara XML toolkit a lot. But I'll stick with sqlite in this case. As a user of unfashionable XML technologies *and* relational database systems, I'd

Re: Gnu/Linux dialogue boxes in python

2007-12-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On 1 Des, 07:02, Donn Ingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1]http://www.python.org/pypi/desktop Oh, just saw this link and fetched the code -- will have a look around. The dialogue box support isn't in the released version, but I'll either upload a new release, or I'll make the code available

Re: Gnu/Linux dialogue boxes in python

2007-11-30 Thread Paul Boddie
On 30 Nov, 14:55, Donn Ingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Okay, so I am in the mood to try this: Inform the user about what modules the app requires in a graphical dialogue that can vary depending on what the system already has installed. (It will fail-to output on cli) I am running Kubuntu

Re: the annoying, verbose self

2007-11-24 Thread Paul Boddie
On 24 Nov, 20:10, Patrick Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's no good. So you would write it like so: def meth(self,*args): tmp = int(raw_input('Enter age:')) using self: age = tmp Still an unnecessary lookup on tmp though :) Indeed. As has been mentioned, it's

Re: Research-oriented Python mailing list?

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 22 Nov, 12:05, Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Albert-jan Roskam wrote: One more Q: I was wondering if there exists a more research-oriented Python listserv. This one is good (or so it seems, I'm just a newbie!), but the topics are very broad. Suggestions, anyone? [...] I

Re: the annoying, verbose self

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 22 Nov, 20:24, Ayaz Ahmed Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never really understood why some people find that annoying to do. I make it a point to use, for example, the `this` operator when writing C++ code to avoid implicilty calling/accessing attributes of objects as much as possible.

Re: the annoying, verbose self

2007-11-22 Thread Paul Boddie
On 23 Nov, 01:41, braver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 23, 1:15 am, Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One wonders whether the people complaining so vehemently about self have ever encountered coding style guides. Dude, I'm also programming in Ada, 83 to 95 to 2005. It's not often

Re: Joining open source python projects

2007-11-20 Thread Paul Boddie
On 20 Nov, 02:07, Giampaolo Rodola' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It thought it would be very nice having a place where developers could submit help requests for their projects and let the users view them and eventually join them if they want to. Does someone knows if such a service already exist

Re: Web update library in python?

2007-11-20 Thread Paul Boddie
On 20 Nov, 12:17, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason is simply that without any server-side mechanism that at _least_ allows for file-locking (something plain HTTP doesn't, nor does FTP), you can't possibly make this work, as different concurrent requests of users will end

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Paul Boddie
On 20 Nov, 15:42, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12/7. Django comes with its own little server so that you don't have to set up Apache on your desktop to play with it. I was rather shocked to learn that django only has this tiny server and does not come with a stand-alone server

Re: securing a python execution environment...

2007-11-19 Thread Paul Boddie
On 19 Nov, 12:16, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to build a secure execution environment for bits of python for two reasons: [...] Have other people bumped into this problem? What solutions do people recommend? It might be worth looking at these pages for some

Re: Python for embedded devices?

2007-11-19 Thread Paul Boddie
On 19 Nov, 18:17, Malte Forkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to use Python on a router, an Edimax BR-6104K, running OpenWrt (http://www.openwrt.org). While I probably won't need most of the fancier stuff in Python, serial I/O and threads should be supported. The router is based on

Google's tolerance of spam

2007-11-14 Thread Paul Boddie
On 13 Nov, 23:03, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their messages are an abuse of Google Groups's terms of service, and Google will likely act on complaints that include a *full* copy of the offending message. Unless things have changed recently, I doubt that Google can be bothered to do

Re: parallel csv-file processing

2007-11-09 Thread Paul Boddie
On 9 Nov, 12:02, Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not pass the disk offsets to the job server (untested): n = 1000 for i,_ in enumerate(reader): if i % n == 0: job_server.submit(calc_scores, reader.tell(), n) the remote process seeks to the appropriate

Re: Some pythonic suggestions for Python

2007-11-09 Thread Paul Boddie
On 9 Nov, 20:43, Frank Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl Banks wrote: What you say is correct in principle, but it's senseless to apply it to something you use every day, like def. It's like arguing that irregular verbs make speech less productive. They do for people who speak

Re: Retrieving all open applications ...

2007-11-07 Thread Paul Boddie
On 7 Nov, 21:33, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:36:49 -0300, Ajay Deshpande [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: well i still havent found a solution to this ... since i am using ubuntu 7.10, i cannot use the hammond modules ... As you said list of window handles

Re: XML document causes pickle to go into infinite recursion

2007-11-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On 1 Nov, 22:25, Orest Kozyar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a CGI script that pulls XML data from a public database Ah, I missed that bit on first read. Consider using something different than CGI here if you want to do caching. FCGI would allow you to do in-memory caching, for

Re: A Python 3000 Question

2007-10-30 Thread Paul Boddie
On 30 Okt, 15:09, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: [Language OOness, hand-waving] I disagree. I think they *do* take away from the overall Object-Oriented nature of the language, and that is A Very Good Thing Indeed. But everything is an object in Python: nothing

Re: problem opening html file with webbrowser.open

2007-10-29 Thread Paul Boddie
On 29 Okt, 11:44, krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello all, as I posted in my previous thread, I am generating html reports for my client software. I am yet to find a satisfactory module which can help me actually create headings, bold and italics etc without merging html with data

Re: Getting callfunc from ast code.

2007-10-28 Thread Paul Boddie
On 28 Okt, 19:09, Glich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, how can I extend the code shown below so that I can identify any CallFunc in func.code and identify the value of node in CallFunc? Thanks. This is my code so far: I tend to use isinstance to work out what kind of AST node I'm looking at,

Re: multi-protocol url-based IO -- pure python kioslave-like module?

2007-10-27 Thread Paul Boddie
On 27 Okt, 18:26, Rob McMullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wheel reinvention preemption question: is there an existing pure- python library with functionality similar to KDE's kio/kioslave implementation? A multi-protocol, extensible library based on URLs that abstracts directory listing and

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