I'm trying to use python classes and members to define complex data entry forms
as a meta language
The idea is to use a nice clean syntax like Python to define form content, then
render it as HTML but only as a review tool for users, The actual rendering
would go into a database to let a
Mucho apologies for rich text, I think I picked that up when replying to a post
without properly checking. Thanks for heads up.
Fred.
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I'm using python 2.6 on Linux/CentOs 6.x
I'm getting ctypes to work, but getting stuck on the use of .argtypes. Can
someone point out what I'm doing. This is my first use of ctypes and it looks
like I'm getting different definitions in stackoverflow that may correspond to
different version
] On Behalf Of
Joel Goldstick
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 3:22 PM
To: Terry Reedy
Cc: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: noobie needs help with ctypes
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Terry Reedy
tjre...@udel.edumailto:tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 12/9/2013 2:24 PM, Sells, Fred wrote:
I'm using
When moving from windows to unix you need to run dos2unix on any programs
that use shebang (at least with python 2.6) that is installed on some
platforms but must be installed on others like CentOs but it is in their
repository.
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This is simple, but I just cannot find it after quite a bit of searching
I have this basic design
class A:
def __init__(self):
print 'I am an instance of ', self.__class__.name
class B(A):
pass
X = B
I would like this to print I am an instance of B but I keep
The need for a python-aware editor is the commonly held opinion, although the
debate about which editor is endless. I use Eclipse + PyDev only because I
found it first and like it.
The only suggestion I would offer is to separate the business logic completely
from the HTML request/response
Given that the customer is always right: In the past I've dealt with this
situation by creating one or more query classes and one or more edit classes.
I found it easier to separate these.
I would then create basic methods like EditStaff.add_empooyee(**kwargs) inside
of which I would drop
You leave many relevant questions unanswered.
1. Is the original developer/team available or have you been left with
the code and little or no doc's?
2. How big is big in terms of the number of files/modules in the
project?
3. Is there a reasonable structure to the project in terms of
Assuming your form has actual PDF data entry fields. I export the form to a
.fdf file, run a little script to replace fieldnames with %(fieldname)s and
save this as a staic template. At run time I'll merge the template with a
python dictionary using the % operator and shell down to pdftk to
Steven, that's probably the most elegant explanation of the pythonic
way I've ever seen. I'm saving it for the next time upper management
want to use Java again.
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I find it easier to code like this
Sql = ‘’’select yadda, yadda, yadda
FROM a,b,c
Where this=that
ORDER BY deudderting’’’
With the appropriate %s(varname) and % against a dictionary rather than
positional args, but that’s just me.
From:
I'm looking at a variation on this theme. I currently use
Flex/ActionScript for client side work, but there is pressure to move
toward HTML5+Javascript and or iOS. Since I'm an old hand at Python, I
was wondering if there is a way to use it to model client side logic,
then generate the
Quixote may be what you want, but it's been years since I've used it and
I don't know if it is still alive and kicking. It was from MEMS if I
remember correctly.
Using django and Flex is one way to avoid html and javascript and it
works great for datagrids.
Fred.
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After the completion of most training courses, the students are not yet
ready to make a meaningful contribution to the community.
Yet your goal of getting them involved in the community is worthwhile.
I would think learning to use the community as a resource to solve a
problem that is not
I'm tring to unzip a buffer that is uploaded to django/python. I can
unzip the file in batch mode just fine, but when I get the buffer I get
a BadZipfile exception. I wrote this snippet to try to isolate the
issue but I don't understand what's going on. I'm guessing that I'm
losing some
Thanks all, adding the 'rb' and 'wb' solved that test case.
The reason I read the file the hard way is that I'm testing why I
cannot unzip a buffer passed in a file upload using django.
While not actually using a file, pointing out the need for the binary
option gave me the clue I needed to
The set module or function (depends on which python version) will do
this if you make each record a tuple.
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[mailto:python-list-bounces+frsells=adventistcare@python.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Otten
Sent:
Sometimes it's worth asking Why?
I assume there would be no need to rewrite if the existing code did most
of what was needed. It may be easier to ask the customer what he really
wants rather than to re-engineer a crappy solution to an obsolete
problem.
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I'm using Python 2.4 and 2.7 for different apps. I'm happy with a
solution for either one.
I've got to talk to a url that uses a session cookie. I only need to
set this when I'm developing/debugging so I don't need a robust
production solution and I'm somewhat confused by the docs on cookielib.
It helps to try to solve a real (to you) problem, that way you discover
what you don't know. If your code ends up nested 3 levels or your
methods are more than 10 lines, ask for help.
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Since your keys are not unique, I would think that you would want a list
of values for the object corresponding to each key. Something like
Mydict = {}
Mydict.setdefault(mykey, []).append(avalue)
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I just shell down and use pdftk to merge fdf and pdf
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[mailto:python-list-bounces+frsells=adventistcare@python.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:24 AM
Google is your friend. Elementtree is one of the better documented
IMHO, but there are many modules to do this.
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From: python-list-bounces+frsells=adventistcare@python.org
[mailto:python-list-bounces+frsells=adventistcare@python.org] On
Behalf Of Stefan
Here is the .emacs file I place at c:\ on xp. I don't understand it and
cannot explain it. It was developed by a few guys I worked with 20
years ago and still does the job. Probably quite obsolete by now, but
if it ain't broke...
In response to your what do you mean
With the cursor in a python
Hitting ctrl-c, twice quickly works for me.
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[mailto:python-list-bounces+frsells=adventistcare@python.org] On
Behalf Of OdarR
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:02 PM
To: python-list@python.org
When doing the same thing, I like
Using a dictionary to return a function or a class definition based on a
msg id and let that returned value handle the message that contained
the id. Something like
Class XYZ:
...
MyHandlers = {42:XYZ, ...
Message = read_from_somewhere_else()
Mod_python works, but if you are doing anything significant look into
one of the many frameworks like turbogears or django. More structure to
learn but less code when all is said and done.
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From: python-list-bounces+frsells=adventistcare@python.org
Prof. Kanabar (kanabar.bu.edu) is planning to offer a python course
there soon. Perhaps he could help. Tell him you got his name from me
(Fred Sells).
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I use Flex (from adobe) for the client side and turbogears for the
server side and pass xml or json in between. It gives you a Flash
client which is very Sexy and browser independent and very simple
turbogears code in Python.
Flex is essentially open source, but the IDE is about $295, although
Diez wrote...
I don't know swig, but if all you have is a real C-API, try
use ctypes.
It's much easier to create bindings for, keeps you fully in
the warm and
cozy womb of python programming and doesn't need no
compilation to create
the actual binding.
You're right the ctypes does
I'm using python 2.4 under linux (centos 5.1).
I need to pass an array of doubles to a c function
but am getting an error, shown near the bottom of
this post.
my swig interface file looks like this
* File: rug520.i */
%module rug520
%include
I'm running python 2.5 (or 2.4) in an XP environment.
I downloaded and installed the .dll's from
OpenLDAP-2.4.8+OpenSSL-0.9.8g-Win32.zip and copied the .dll's in
c:/windows/system32 as instructed
now I get this error. Is there anyway to avoid building the python_ldap
binaries? Apart from
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:46 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: need ldap windows binary and/or installation help
Tim Golden wrote:
Sells, Fred wrote:
I'm running python 2.5 (or 2.4) in an XP environment.
I downloaded and installed
I'm trying to read mail using the imaplib module. I can get the subject and
date, but not the body, have not found any example on how to do that and I
don't know much about imap. Here's what I have, working as noted...
If anyone can show me what I'm missing in order to get the body of a mail
the short answer is
a file is a module; therefore to 'include' access to 'myclass' in file xyz.py
from another file called 'abc.py' you would put this in abc.py
import xyz #note no '.py'
x = xyz.myclass()
or
from xyz import myclass #if you're lazy use ... import *
x = myclass()
see the
please excuse slightly off-topic; cannot access turbogears mailing list at the
moment.
There was an excellent video by James Ward that showed using turbogears to
return json data to adoble's flex UI. It simply used
@expose(JSON)
def ():
...
return dict(x=1, ...)
Is there
Diez wrote:
Why don't you create KID-template like this:
div py:strip=True${root}/div
and in the controller say
@expose(thexmltemplate)
def ...
return dict(root=myElementTreeRoot)
sounds good. Does that py:strip remove the div and anything outside it.
I'll be doing a flex
get a python-aware editor. I vary between emacs and Eclipse, depending on my
mood and the size of the project.
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or
for i in range(1,100):
print ('fizz','','')[i%3] + ('buzz','','','','')[i%5] or i
Write a program that prints the numbers from 1 to 100. But for
multiples of three print Fizz instead of the number and for the
multiples of five print Buzz. For numbers which are multiples of
both
write working programs
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Subject: Newbie to python --- why should i learn !
Hi,
i was reading/learning some hello
I've been tasked with either implementing Request-Tracker to upgrade our help
desk issue tracking system or finding a Python equivalent (both in terms of
functionality and wide spread use). Request-Tracker uses Apache and MySQL,
which would also be appropriate to Python.
I would prefer to go
I am automating the client side of a simple web interface. I need to upload a
file to a webserver that requires authentication. I've got the authentication
working with urllib2 (see below), but the only examples I've found to upload
files use httplib without authentication. I'm competent
I use a .emacs file (attached) that some associates gave me nearly 20 years
ago. Some of it is OBE now, but it still works for me on both windows and
Linux. With this file I can cntrl-c cntrl-c (i.e. ^c twice to run the current
buffer). Don't ask me to explain it, it just works.
As I recall Quixote allowed you to embed html in python. was actually pretty
cool. Havenot tried it in a long time.
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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:56 PM
To: python-list@python.org
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Thanks everyone for the response. From the posts I understand that
Django and pylons are the best. By searching the net earlier I got the
same information that Django is best among the frameworks so I
downloaded it and I found it very difficult to configure. I referred
the
slight shift of topic here.
I'm a newbie at standard web stuff. Mostly java webstart and a little
mod_python.
I experimented with Adobe Flex and really loved it for doing the front end.
The backend needs to provide xml, json or AMF (an adobe proprietary binary
format). For prototyping, I
you did remember to byte-compile the python-mode.el file?
I am struggling to make the ipython or python works in
xemacs. I have been seraching on the internet for a solution
for one day. I have put python-mode.el and ipython.el in the
load-path and in the xemacs I type: M-x load library
a, b = [], []
a.append(b)
b.append(a)
did you perhaps mean a.append('b'); b.append('a'); otherwise this seems pretty
advanced for a newbie
b in a
True
a in a
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded in cmp
It sounds as if this project is a major task based on your current level of
experience. That being said, all we pythonistas encourage and support anyone
who is trying to learn/apply python.
Break the problem into 2 parts:
--simulation math of what you're trying to do
--cool visual display (2D
Diez B. Roggisch wrote
. Why do you want that (hot deploy)
anyway? Does startuptime of a script really bother you?
shouldn't take
more than a few seconds.
My primary need is development/debug. I'm a Pyro newbie and I add a
feature and then test. The only way I've found to kill the Pyro
I don't think you can substitute the table name and column names in the
execute, just values ( I could be wrong)
try building it like this:
sql = INSERT INTO %s %s VALUES % (taablename, columnstuple, '(%s)')
cursor.execute(sql, values)
Hello,
I have a function that executes a SQL statement
thanks, that should do it
Diez wrote:
Go install cygwin (but not it's included python-interpreter,
or at least
make sure you have your python path properly under control)
and then simply
start the script from the command-line. And hit C-c if you
need it to stop,
and restart it. Only
I'm using ActiveState python on a windows box to talk to ACtive Directory. I'm
running a Pyro Server on the same box.
The client is Linux running std Python 2.4.
It works just fine until the server codes calls some win32com.client api; then
I get
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
I need a simple client/server architecture with clients on linux and servers on
windows. There is no UI in this part, just business rules and access control.
Pyro seems pretty cool for this due to it's simplicity. I'm just starting with
it and have not been able to get the server side to see
I had some code originally that printed the sql and params when I called
the .execute method. I removed it but it still prints. I rebooted and
renamed files and still it prints. I am totally stumped; I tried google
but perhaps didn't use the right search; got a lot of hits but no clues.
I'm
el stupido here accidently put a couple of print statements into a
mysqldb module when eclipse opened it from the link in the stacktrace;
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I like eclipse+pydev; although I did pay my dues learning the basics of
eclipse. F9 saves file and runs it.
If you're an emacs dude, emacs + python mode is pretty good. ctrl-c
ctrl-c runs the active buffer. Of course if you don't already know
emacs, avoid it like the plague.
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filemaker 8.0 (Pro I think) has a web page generator. That's all I
know, since I didn't really need it.
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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:36 PM
To: Ian Witham
Cc: python-list@python.org
I need to talk to a vendor side via SOAP, Googling is overwhelming and many
hits seem to point to older attempts.
Can someone tell me which SOAP module is recommended. I'm using Python 2.4.
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Sometimes sneaky is better than elegant. You could shell down to a command
line invocation of mysql and specify -xml as the output format. I'm not
sure how close that format is to what you need or how much you could
leverage views (if using mysql 5.0). You could also use a command line xslt
We need to automate the download of data that is now done manually via a
terminal session to a dialup bulletin board. The user uses this to upload
and download files. Hard to believe in this day and age, but true.
I've tried google, but the terms are just too common; all I get is clutter.
So I
concur 100%. You can breeze through the fist half of the online tutorial in
a about 2 cups of coffee but you don't know what you don't know until you
try to do something real.
Even with 20 years of working with Python, I find goodies in the cookbook
for each new project.
Get a python aware
Wow Fred! You're awesome! How did you get 20 years in of Python when
it was created in 1991?
You're right, programming skills exceed basic math. I think I started
around 1990 with version 0.92 beta.
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this one is fun: http://www.vpython.org/
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Behalf Of swordofrue
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:50 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: Evolution of a pythonistas!
Thanks everyone for your responses. I am
IMHO ... untested
class LightBulb:
def __init__(self, on=False): self.IsOn = on
def turnOn(self): self.switchIt(True)
def turnOff(self):self.switchIt(False)
def switchIt(self, turnon):
if self.isOn==turnon: print The Switch is Already %s %
([ON,
uncheck mylar and it should work.
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Behalf Of Christopher L Judd
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:00 AM
To: Danyelle Gragsone
Cc: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: pydev help [html-removed]
Its called mylyn
I find 3 elements contribute significantly to becoming competent in python
1. a decent IDE so you can see the big picture (multiple files and
directories). I use Eclipse + PyDev because Eclipse supports other goodies
like CVS. I'm sure other IDE's are as good if not better, but who has time
to
www.vpython.org might be overkill, but it was easy to do simple 2d charts.
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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:23 AM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: Graph plotting module
On
I have this table
mysql describe valid_individuals;
+---+--+--+-+-+---+
| Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra |
+---+--+--+-+-+---+
| fname | varchar(30) | YES | | NULL| |
| lname | varchar(30)
thank you! that was it.
I created the table using a create table (select from
which must have defaulted to InnoDb, now I just create it in a script.
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From: Carsten Haese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:56 AM
To: Sells, Fred
Cc: python
I just started using flex (flex.org) from Adobe for the front end and am
quite amazed at what it can do. Good docs. Clean client/server api if you
like xml. It's relatively new so you still have to turn over some rocks and
kiss some frogs to figure out how to get exactly the behavior you want
1. Python is fun!
2. Python is cool!
3. Most of the time you can google a solution, i.e. somebody has already
done nearly everything you can think of.
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glad to hear it. Those of us who would like to introduce it in reluctant
schools elsewhere could benefit from a post-semester evaluation, including
student comments and some sample, running projects.
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try google: python apack found several
in general, always google first; python has so many devotees that someone
has generally solved most problems already.
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:33 PM
I currently use Java to generate a 150 page PDF from about 50 .odt files,
including replacing occurrances of about 10 place-holder phrases from data
in our system. I do not use the OOo database/mailmerge features, just UNO.
This process takes about 20 seconds on my 2 year old XP laptop and about
looks like it is expecting command line agrs that are not there.
put this at the top of your code to see what's going on
import sys
print sys.argv
remembering that the first element printed is sys.argv[0]
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I've been using Eclipse with the PyDev extension. it's not bad, although
you need a reasonably powerful computer to handle the bloat of Eclipse.
For short programs, I still like emacs, but I'm old school.
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cool product, I'll test depending on schedule at the time.
one (more) suggestion (from those of us who arn't doing the work ;) is to
put this in eclipse, rather than apache, since many developers work with it.
Please no IDE wars, I like emacs too, but when I'm trying to teach to
newbies I use
Peter, I sadly admit that I was wrong. Doesn't seem to work is
effectivly even more useless than doesn't work. I give up.
Years ago we used to get our FORTRAN card decks back from the DP center
with a piece of scrap paper saysing She No Work. top that.
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I have not tried this, but...
Assuming jython is out of the question
You might want to try a simple java command line program you could run from
popen
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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:11 AM
I've got a ~100 page document I assemble from ~30 OOo .odt files with some
search and replace functions. I then produce a PDF. So far so good.
Now I need to get a barcode from our internal website and insert that. The
barcode will vary based on some parameters. Our internal site provides a
the standard print gets delayed somewhere inside python, however if you
use
print sys.stderr, whatever, 3, 4 5
that prints immediately, or so it seems to me.
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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:18 PM
To:
If you're in the PyDev perspective, F9 runs the current script while
ctrl-F11 reruns the last script run. I have found that certain types of
operations just plain don't work this way and must be run from a
conventional shell window.
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The technical director of Cabletron used to write applications in Python,
then give the working product/code to the development group to convert.
Perhaps you could build stuff in Python and outsource the conversion to
India?
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[mailto:[EMAIL
content is great, my comments are editorial.
I prefer PDF with bookmarks rather than HTML.
1. easy to print the whole thing and read offline.
2. easy to find a secion from bookmarks, rather that chasing links
3. easy to save on my local doc folder so I can be sure It will always be
there. (i.e.
Every C++ and Java programmer that I know, who have done a moderate sized
project in Python (thus requiring learning it's strengths) states that they
hope to never go back to C++ or Java.
I cannot comment on VB programmers, since I don't speak to them ;)
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I'm confused.
is WSGI only a specification, or are there implementations, and if so which
ones
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to regurgitate what others have said.
trying to solve a real-world problem is significantly more educational that
writing toy programs and class assignments.
Solving a real-world problem will generate more interest in your potential
ability that knowing any language.
Pick a problem that you and
I'm using windows xp and OpenOffice 2.0 and doing my first project with
pyuno.
I've got the basics to work,. An example I googled at
http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/aggregators/openoffice_org/blogaggregator_vi
ew?b_start:int=0 imported an ootools module. When I try to import it, it
does not
I can use java to output a PDF file using uno, but when I try to do it in
python, I get an IO Exception with no added information. The relevant code
snippet follows:
from com.sun.star.beans import PropertyValue
PDF= PropertyValue( FilterName , 0 , writer_pdf_Export, 0 )
I've geen googling for 3 days now, and cannot find out how to do this.
I'm trying to use OpenOffice 2.0 and UNO to generate PDF documents. I'm
using windows, but will have to make it work under Linux for production.
I've been able to set the parameters and call the exportToPdf method, but
the
I've just been asked to do a soap client for some vendor software. I'm able
to load the WSDL and discover the methods, but when I go to call a method it
doesn't see it. I should be passing in a string that is named testValue
I've been working from the soap demoes with soappy 0.12.0. I've found
I've got the python-ldap version 2.0.11 with python 2.4 under Linux
I've got the ldap stuff working for groups, but now I'm trying to use it to
change a user password. I get a return of 2 and no error messages but it
does not change ldap.
I've tried it with uid = 'joeblow' and with
I've got the python-ldap version 2.0.11 with python 2.4 under Linux
I've got the ldap stuff working for groups, but now I'm trying to use it to
change a user password. I get a return of 2 and no error messages but it
does not change ldap.
I've tried it with uid = 'joeblow' and with
import socket, threading, time, binascii, struct
from Configure import Debug
thanks to all, here's my final code that works, if it helps anyone
import socket, threading, time, binascii, struct
from Configure import Debug
ZERO = chr(0)
class Udp:
def __init__(self, my_address,
appreciated.
Fred Sells
fred at adventistcare dott org
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If this is your first try, use cgi, cgitb and html % dictionary as suggested
in this thread. If your db is mysql, you can actually use os.popen() (or
equivalent) to run a 'mysql -html -e select * from yaddayadda to return
html. you can make that look prettier with css.
here's a quick and dirty
We would like to use Python to automatically deploy new rpm's (assuming we
first edit a file to require a new version). I've just starting looking a
the rpm module. I can build this from scratch, but was wondering if anyone
is/has solved some or all of this problem or could point me to some
I second what others have said about the tutorials. I have not read how to
think like a ... but from other posting here I have reservations about it
as a starting point.
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From: Simon Brunning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:42 AM
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