of modules regardless of which way they are
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on these statement blocks.
If you're using goto for anything these blocks aren't appropriate for,
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Unfortunately, that would break code if anything relied on input, so I
guess that would be a Py3K idea, and maybe the whole I/O concept
will be rethought then (if the print statement is going to go away,
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))
?
But of course that's not equivalent. It's hard to imagine a
use case for an enumerated loop when the object being
iterated over is anonymous (will be lost as soon as the loop
exits).
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Python to do that as you suggest.
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-generated.
I have no pressing immediate need for this functionality
(that I know of), but I'd like to understand how to access
this capability if it exists.
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that it's a common enough task that there ought to be *one* way to do
it and it ought to be in the library. Otherwise, there's a lot of
redundancy.
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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 09:41 am, Steven Bethard wrote:
Terry Hancock wrote:
And a syntax just occured to me -- what about this:
[expression for argument list]
If you haven't already, see:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/AlternateLambdaSyntax
for other similar proposals.
Yeah, it's
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:38 am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Terry Hancock wrote:
With list comprehensions and generators becoming so integral, I'm
not sure about unpythonic.
I'm going to resist the temptation to argue that list comps are themselves
unpythonic :).
Ah
intuitive keyword in the language, IMHO.
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Python, Perl, and Javascript, but Python is definitely the one
I find easiest to cope with. ;-)
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do anything more or less than present day lambda, but
gets rid of the weird keyword, and integrates nicely with list comps
and generators. It's currently a syntax error, and it requires no
special delimiter -- it's really just an extension of list comp syntax.
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of them. ;-)
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On Monday 04 July 2005 10:21 am, phil wrote:
A data base with properties and methods. Cool.
I am so sure I already said this. Well, I guess I typed
too much else.
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that as an excercise for the reader,
because I'm too lazy to go look it up, and I've forgotten the
details. ;-)
I hope this is helpful, though,
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to learn once you've gotten
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you. And the Python interpreter is great,
it will give you no trouble and quick answers.
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to disk and read
it back when you've already got it in memory.
Quack! ;-)
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instead
of call, it's hard to imagine this being any closer to exactly what you
would say to describe the operation. And for most of us, English comes
easier than Computer Science jargon.
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On Monday 04 July 2005 07:42 am, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
Terry Hancock wrote:
I also got space_hi.vim which highlights tabs
and trailing spaces, which made it a lot easier to fix the
problem.
Is that really the name? I tried searching for it got no hits.
Sorry, no underscore, it's
On Saturday 02 July 2005 10:35 pm, Terry Hancock wrote:
I tried to load a couple of different scripts to
automatically fold Python code in vim, but none of them
seems to do a good job.
I've tried:
python_fold.vim by Jorrit Wiersma
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=515
to write the closest thing
to what the SQL code would look like, and I didn't know
about BETWEEN.
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it with zlib on the data *before* storing them in the shelf. I guess if
bulk becomes an issue I'll try that.
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to understand. It's just not been well-introduced,
because the people explaining it have a tendency to forget
that it isn't all obvious, because it seems that way to
them, now that they know it.
But that's the newbie's problem in all areas of software, ISTM.
HTH,
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the arguments -- allowing you to set any arbitrary collection of values
you want (can be a useful way to create a shared namespace), but (3)
does (which is probably important if your class actually does specific
things with the parameters).
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to know what Zope was.
Yes, it is a funny story, though. ;-)
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mostly about number-crunching anymore, so a lot of people
never bother with floats.
Which seems totally bizarre to me, since I cut my teeth on graphics
and moved on to scientific programming, but there you are.
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be using it wrong.
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], translations[1::2]))
{'fr': 'la vache brun', 'en': 'the brown cow'}
I always find it helps to take a statement apart in the interpreter if
a little too much is going on in one line for me to follow.
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of printing a traceback due to excessive recursion which
is what it used to do. This is because the representation method
was changed to catch such circular references and stick in the [...]
instead.
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grep -v -e ^# {} \; |
grep -v -e '^$' | wc
158046 591237 6312725
.../ZopeX3/lib/python find . -name *.py -exec grep -v -e ^# {} \; | grep
-v -e '^$' | wc
175818 642486 7023206
I'm sure there are holes in this method, but it ought to give a rough count.
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On Friday 01 July 2005 12:53 pm, Scott David Daniels wrote:
Terry Hancock wrote:
I only just recently had a look at the shelve module
That would be handy if, for example, I wanted to couple
(and compress into the bargain) by putting my two
shelf files into a single zip archive.
You
in SQL, but I'd have to look up the syntax for inequality
statements. The python equivalent would be to write it out as:
if a b-epsilon and a b+epsilon:
print a~=b
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case, the Python object model is very flexible, and most things you want
to do can be done using it. So it seems to me like compartmentalizing changes
by
keeping them in modules would be really good.
I guess I've become a python conservative. ;-)
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exception would have to be the behavior of lambda and locally-defined
functions --- I still expect them to know the variables in the defining
function's namespace. But I think that lexical scoping fixed this
so that they do, IIRC (I don't use them often, so I'm not so sure).
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something into doing it, but it's
probably a bad idea anyway. I think your loop is stylistically
fine as is (if you need to change the list in place).
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memorably put it, to poke the operating system with a stick. You are
always going to be able to use ctypes to provoke spectacular crashes
of the kind that you can never get with 'ordinary' Python.
Gosh, I didn't know or care about ctypes, but now I'm interested! ;-D
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to dictionary value by string key is one way
to encourage the distinction.
And, really, when you do need it, __getattr__ / __setattr__ aren't
really *that* difficult to use.
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it's own
implementation of turtle graphics? I think it's in the standard
library, isn't it? The Live Wires graphics module is also a good
start --- very similar to the kind of graphics interface that I had
when I was learning on my TRS-80 Color Computer with BASIC. ;-)
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as an assignment. But I don't think Python reads it that way -- it
just has code to recognize multiple assignment as a statement. I think
I remember reading that in the Language Reference or something.
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idea).
Without more specifics about what you are looking for, it would be
hard to reply further than this.
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On Sunday 26 June 2005 06:11 am, Robert Kern wrote:
Terry Hancock wrote:
On Sunday 26 June 2005 05:39 am, Torsten Bronger wrote:
However, then you must forbid a=b=1 for assigning to two variables
at the same time.
You need to differentiate
a = b = 1
from
a = b == 1
Okay, I see
+ reportlab.
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lines and will run
in Python 1.5, IIRC.
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support transactions, and abstracting the data into tables
is a non-issue as ZODB stores Python objects more or less directly (you
only have to worry about ensuring that objects are of persistent types
-- meaning either immutable, or providing persistence support explicitly).
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has duplicate values, this will arbitrarily pick
one (in a consistent, but implementation dependent way) to use as
the key in the inverse mapping.
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Or would people really like to claim a pure Python set of UNIX
utilities?
Sorry, can't parse that last sentence.
In other words, it'd be a purely aesthetic goal. Which is only a waste
if art is.
But then, I know *I'm* not going to spend time on it. ;-)
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, some folks
recommend avoiding this. But then, so what?
PDE_File = PDF.File
and the problem goes away.
This always seems cleaner to me than:
PDF.PDFFile etc, which drives me crazy to read. Useless repetition just
gets annoying.
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Seriously though, thanks for the correction.
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name:
import _bright
bright = _bright
right?
You can attach a new name to any Python object trivially (this is
akin to a pointer assignment in C, it does not copy any significant
amount of data).
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, 3], [4, 5, 6]]
parti([1,2,3,4,5,6],2)
[[1, 2], [3, 4], [5, 6]]
PS is there any difference between
t=t+[li]
t.append(li)
No, but
t=t+[li]
is quite different from
t.append([li])
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(r'((.)\2*)', 'abbccccccbba')]
['a', 'bb', 'ccc', '', 'ccc', 'bb', 'a']
I think it's fantastic, but I'd be bound to say that given that it's the
same as what I posted almost two days ago :-)
Guess there's only one obvious way to do it, then. ;-)
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after they've got it working. I know that'd be a good motivator
for my kids, anyway. ;-)
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to take (noticeably) longer than:
mod = __import__('sys')
dir(mod)
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which is what high-level programming is all about.
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from the French Informatique.
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a very denigrative view of
craftsmen, and does not pay them well enough, so computer
programmers have been motivated to attempt to elevate the
profession by using the appellative of science.
How different would the world be if we (more accurately)
called it Computer Arts?
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environment (unless they can drive the atmosphere
to a better composition fast enough).
And as for the subject line, I'd say the Python list is very much
at high-tide here. ;-)
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OTOH, I see no reason for an opposite construct, since, as you
and others have pointed out, that can be handled by the if
in the loop or by an exception handler.
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, and for others, str() and repr() are sensibly the
same thing, but for some, the distinction is useful. That's
all.
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On Tuesday 14 June 2005 12:07 am, Ron Adam wrote:
Terry Hancock wrote:
On Monday 13 June 2005 11:09 pm, Ron Adam wrote:
My suggestion is to use, also as the keyword to mean on normal exit
'also' do this.
Unfortunately, also is also a bad keyword to use for this, IMHO.
I don't find it any
.
Interestingly, my son had no problem at all with the name
versus variable distinction -- that seems to be a case where
my C experience caused me problems, but it's a non-issue
coming from a tabula rasa perspective.
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this even more so:
case = {
5: do_this,
6: do_that,
}
case.get(x, do_default)()
Which is looking pretty close to a case statement, anyway.
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).
Not sure how many other jurisdictions have implemented something like
this, but it sounds like a very good thing to me.
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behind a dynamically-typed language like
Python and a statically typed one like Java.
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an intermediary like this (_ for .):
Topic_create = Topic.create
After that, it's kind of case-by-case. Do read PEP 8, too, of
course.
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On Monday 13 June 2005 03:50 pm, Kalle Anke wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:41:48 +0200, Terry Hancock wrote
(in article [EMAIL PROTECTED]):
1) Assume the variables are of a sensible type (not
necessarily the one you expected, though), and provide
exception handling to catch the case
break if-else code, I don't think it would be allowed, anyway).
I can't think of what would be a better keyword, though. :-/
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of the Library Reference -- also look at the string module,
though it's usually easier to use the string methods approach).
You will probably end up with more readable code using Python and
take less time to develop sufficient proficiency to do the job with it.
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On Saturday 11 June 2005 06:14 am, Piet van Oostrum wrote:
Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TH) wrote:
TH It looks to me like Python just deleted a read-only file owned by
TH root in order to replace it with a new pyc file. Can somebody
TH explain that to me?! Isn't that supposed
doesn't have a switch/case construct -- it encourages you to
use a smarter solution which you'll be glad of later on.
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a bit of brainstorming, I tried:
architecture astronauts ryan tomayko
and got this:
http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/2005/05/28/ibm-poop-heads
which is probably what you meant.
I love that file name. ;-)
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On Friday 10 June 2005 03:06 pm, Kay Schluehr wrote:
Python projects are submarines. You have to care not to go up to soon.
Ooh, I like that. I'm going to file that under useful excuses.
Could come in handy! ;-D
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2.4 documentation,
the subprocess module does not use any shell. Or the shell is python,
as it were.
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in order to replace it with a new pyc file. Can somebody
explain that to me?! Isn't that supposed to be impossible?
(I can only guess that Python is running setuid root in this
situation, and taking advantage of that --- but isn't that, well,
*evil*?)
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of the software.
I think you will actually get what you want by just using a copyleft
free-license like the GPL. This will prevent the software from being
absorbed into a commercial proprietary product, which is what I
consider the reasonable part of what you are asking for.
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as the standard way to contact
tech support.
Most likely you are working with Windows clients, so you'll need
something other than uname, but I'm sure there is something
appropriate. You can do it by examining information in Python's
sys module, too, which I think should be portable.
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with mixed versions and pyc files, so my assumptions
may be a little off, but hopefully someone will correct me if that's so.
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unnecessarily crucifying a piece
of toy code for learning OOP, this is *really* nice set of test cases! Thank
you, I'm saving this for reference. :-)
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, won't they?
Of course, you're *entitled* to use any twisted, snare-throwing license
you like, but don't expect to be respected for it.
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around than learning all the implicit variables
that Javascript introduces (e.g. this, prototype, etc).
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there's really much overhead in creating Python
classes. In any case, it's never been an issue for me. But I'd
still recommend only wrapping the data after you've already
reduced the number of rows as much as possible.
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Terry
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') Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in ?
File stdin, line 4, in __init__
File stdin, line 7, in _get_args
TypeError: __init__ takes exactly 4 arguments (5 given)
HTH
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