If I took the time to really learn to use python for sysadmin work,
would I be able to find jobs, or even contract jobs?
From what I am seeing on the job boards etc., I would have to say no.
It looks to me as though I could possibly do that with perl, but not
python.
Of course, I could be
I believe Guido himself has said that all indentions should be four
spaces - no tabs.
Since backward compatibility is being thrown away anyway, why not
enforce the four space rule?
At least that way, when I get python code from somebody else, I would
know what I am looking at, without having to
On May 22, 12:22 pm, Rhodri James
How do you know how a string object is going to be treated by any
given function? Read the Fine Manual for that function.
So am I to understand that there is no consistency in string handling
throughout the standard modules/objects/methods?
Seems to make
On May 21, 9:44 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk
wrote:
Escaping the delimiting quote is the *one* time backslashes have a
special meaning in raw string literals.
If that were true, then wouldn't r'\b' be treated as two characters?
This calls re.sub with a pattern string object
I guess I am confused about when when escape characters are are
interpersonal as escape characters, and escape characters are not
treated as escape characters.
Sometimes escape characters in regular strings are treated as escape
characters, sometimes not. Same seems to go for raw strings. So how
Example 5.6. Coding the FileInfo Class
class FileInfo(UserDict):
store file metadata
def __init__(self, filename=None):
UserDict.__init__(self)(1)
self[name] = filename(2)
What I do not understand is the last line. I thought 'self' was
supposed to refer to
On May 19, 5:31 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
That's just the same micro-goal re-stated. What is your larger problem
of which this is a part? Perhaps a better approach can be suggested when
that context is known.
I am processing a huge spreadsheet which I have converted to
I know that
s = r'x\nx'
means 'x' followed by a literal '\' followed by an 'n' (the '\n' is
not a carriage return).
s = r'x\tx'
means 'x' followed by a literal '\' followed by an 't' (the '\t' is
not a tab).
But, boundries seem to work differently.
s = re.sub(r'\bxxx\b', 'yyy', s)
Is *not*
On May 20, 9:59 am, Marco Mariani ma...@sferacarta.com wrote:
Do you know what a dictionary is?
Yes, but I thought a dictionary used curly brackets. Is the object a
dictionary?
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On May 8, 5:55 pm, John Yeung gallium.arsen...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 8, 3:03 pm,walterbyrdwalterb...@iname.com wrote:
This works, but it seems like there should be a better way.
--
week = ['sun','mon','tue','wed','thu','fri','sat']
for day in
On May 13, 3:21 am, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com wrote:
cygwin has u2d and d2u- Hide quoted text -
Thank you, I did not know about those utilities, until now.
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I have about 150 unix formated text files that I would like to convert
to dos formated.
I am guessing that I loop though each file in the directory, read each
line and conver the last character, then save to a file with the same
name in another directory.
I am not really sure what I convert the
On May 12, 2:53 pm, MRAB goo...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote:
walterbyrd wrote:
I have about 150 unix formated text files that I would like to convert
to dos formated.
I am guessing that I loop though each file in the directory, read each
line and conver the last character, then save
On May 12, 6:12 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Are you sure you need to do that? Most Windows programs (including
Python) are happy reading text files with just \n for line endings.
These files will be looked at by some non-technical people. I am sure
these people will just click on
On May 12, 6:15 pm, norseman norse...@hughes.net wrote:
Subject line says UNIX to DOS
I hope that means you are using a UNIX machine.
I should have mentioned, I am working in an environment that is very
restrictive about what I can put on my XP desktop. I can not put
python, or even
Thanks for shell script code. That code may be just as efficient, or
even more efficient, than python. But, to me, python is far more
readable.
i=$1
i1=${i%%.*}
echo $i1
cat $1 | sed s/^M// $i1._cr
---=
import os
for file in os.listdir('.'):
infile =
This works, but it seems like there should be a better way.
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for day in week[week.index('tue'):week.index('fri')]:
print day
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It workerd fine yesterday, but it won't work today.
I can still run python, but when I try to import csv, I get an error:
File /usr/lib/python2.5/csv.py, line 8 in module . . .
The module is there. I am guessing that python can not find it.
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On May 8, 9:22 am, walterbyrd walterb...@iname.com wrote:
It workerd fine yesterday, but it won't work today.
I can still run python, but when I try to import csv, I get an error:
File /usr/lib/python2.5/csv.py, line 8 in module . . .
The module is there. I am guessing that python can
On May 8, 9:36 am, Jerry Hill malaclyp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:29 AM, walterbyrd walterb...@iname.com wrote:
I accidently named a script csv.py, put I deleted that.
You probably still have a stale csv.pyc in that directory. Delete that too.
I don't, I am very certain
On May 8, 10:01 am, walterbyrd walterb...@iname.com wrote:
On May 8, 9:36 am, Jerry Hill malaclyp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:29 AM, walterbyrd walterb...@iname.com wrote:
I accidently named a script csv.py, put I deleted that.
You probably still have a stale csv.pyc
It looks like the most recent book on the subject came out eight years
ago. Also, as I understand it, the PyXML library has been deprecated.
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On Dec 21, 12:28 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote:
I can see where the new formatting might be helpful in some cases.
But, I am not sure it's worth the cost.
Err... _Which_ cost exactly ?
Loss of backward compatibility, mainly.
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On Dec 21, 12:28 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote:
Strange enough,
no one seems to complain about PHP or Ruby's performances...
A few years back, there was a certain amount of chest thumping, when
python/django easily beat ror in a benchmark test. Now that
I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language, and
that python has surpassed perl in popularity, but I am not seeing it.
From what I have seen:
- in unix/linux sysadmin, perl is far more popular than python,
windows sysadmins typically don't use either.
- in web-development,
On Dec 22, 10:13 am, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
Since the
advent of Ruby(Python closet competitor), Python's hold on this niche
is slipping.
About the only place I ever hear of ruby being used is web development
with RoR. When it comes to web development, it seems to me that ruby
(because of
On Dec 22, 11:42 am, Ellinghaus, Lance lance.ellingh...@eds.com
wrote:
Yes, Ruby has taken some of the popularity out of Python, but they are
also hitting different markets.
Do you mean different markets within web development, or do you mean
ruby is used mostly for web-dev, while python is
On Dec 22, 11:50 am, Bruno Desthuilliers
bdesth.quelquech...@free.quelquepart.fr wrote:
When it comes to web development, it seems to me that ruby
(because of rails) is far more popular
s/popular/hyped/
I'm not so sure. Go to dice.com, enter ruby rails no quotes, search
all words, job
Will Django be primarily using Python 3.0 one year from now? Two years
from now?
Any WAGs?
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On Dec 19, 12:43 pm, excord80 excor...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, I like having only *one* special symbol (`%') to worry
about in my strings instead of two (`{' and `}').
Actually the new way has, at least three special symbols: ( '{', '}' ,
'.') as well as the method name format so
%s=%s % (k,
On Dec 19, 10:25 am, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally the new string formatter is sorely needed in Python.
Really? You know, it's funny, but when I read problems that people
have with python, I don't remember seeing that. Loads of people
complain about the white space issue.
On Dec 19, 10:55 am, bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote:
Regarding the speed of Python3 programs,
they will go faster
The net result of the 3.0 generalizations is that Python 3.0 runs the
pystone benchmark around 10% slower than Python 2.5.
http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html
On Dec 20, 4:34 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
Walter,
Would you be kind enough to translate this code to the new syntax?
I am sorry, but I just don't know the new syntax well enough. I am not
sure if the examples that I have posted, so far, are correct.
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On Dec 20, 5:05 pm, Roy Smith r...@panix.com
He got really hung up on the % syntax.
I guess it's good to know that there is, at least, one person in the
world doesn't like the % formatting. As least the move was not
entirely pointless.
But, you must admit, of all the things people complain
I have not worked with Python enough to really know. But, it seems to
me that more I look at python 3.0, the more I wonder if it isn't a
step backwards.
To me, it seems that this:
print %s=%d % ('this',99)
Is much easier, and faster, to type, and is also easier to read and
understand. It also
On Dec 19, 9:13 am, Giampaolo Rodola' gne...@gmail.com wrote:
You can use the old 2.x syntax also in Python 3.x:
Yeah, but it's deprecated, and - as I understand it - may be removed
completely in future versions. Also, in the future, if you are working
with code from another developer, it's
On Dec 17, 10:00 am, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
When writing
procedural code how would you like it if vars inside functions were
automatically global. Your code with be blowing chunks in no time.
That was my point - I consider python's ordinary use of lexical
scoping to be a good thing, and I
On Dec 17, 9:04 am, rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
Yes. It's called Object Oriented Programming.
I think you mean it's *Python* Object Oriented Programming. I am not
sure that every other OO language works like that.
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On Dec 17, 10:17 am, Richard Brodie r.bro...@rl.ac.uk wrote:
Not really, self is a formal parameter to the function. It would be
a strange language where a function's own arguments weren't in scope.
Thank you, that makes sense to me.
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On Dec 17, 8:41 am, prueba...@latinmail.com wrote:
If scoping worked as you want, how, pray tell, would you define object
attributes?- Hide quoted text -
I suppose you could do this:
class className():
varname = whatever
def fname(self, varname):
. . . .
Instead of having
For a language as well structured as Python, this seems somewhat
sloppy, and inconsistant. Or is there some good reason for this?
Here is what I mean:
def a():
x = 99
print x
def b():
print x
a()
b() # raises an exception because x is not defined.
However in the methods are
On Dec 7, 12:35 pm, Andreas Waldenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Plze. Python 3 is shipping now, and so is 2.x, where x 5. Python
2 is going to be around for quite some time. What is everybody's
problem?
A possible, potential, problem, could arise if you were using python
2.x, but some
IMO: breaking backward compatibility is a big deal, and should only be
done when it is seriously needed.
Also, IMO, most of, if not all, of the changes being made in 3.0 are
debatable, at best. I can not think of anything that is being changed
that was really a show stopper anyway.
At best, I am
I am running cygwin on xp.
Much to my annoyance, I can not cut-and-paste from a windows app to
the python prompt. I think I could do this with putty, but I do not
have the permissions to install putty on my xp box.
Can I load a file into the python interactive environment? For
example I have a
I have read that in Python 3.0, the following will raise an exception:
[2, 1, 'A'].sort()
Will that raise an exception? And, if so, why are they doing this? How
is this helpful? Is this new enhancement Pythonic?
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On Nov 8, 12:02 pm, Arnaud Delobelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It goes well with duck typing. It lets you know when you things happen
that you don't mean to happen.
But doesn't that also make the language less flexible?
For example, if I used C, I would never have to worry about assigning
a
On Nov 8, 7:44 pm, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cybersource.com.au wrote:
Define your own ordering if you need to sort incomparable types.
If you starting new, I suppose you can always work around this new
enhancement. But, couldn't this cause a lot of backward compatibility
issues?
I have heard about Pysco. But does create a single executable that can
run without Python being installed? Or does that just compile the
libraries?
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On May 12, 8:34 am, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As mentioned above - in some aspects, that is not really needed. But if
you want more of an app-server, have a look at ZOPE, Kamaelia and maybe
even twisted.
Thanks. Kamaelia reminds me of SOA - loosely coupled software services
Can somebody help me understand the difference? Not just where Python
is concerned, but in general?
As I understand it, an application server is supposed to be a great
help in developing apps, because most of the business logic is already
there. It seems to me that, usually when applications
Thanks for all that posts. This thread has been helpful.
I have seen a lot of posts about the importance of decoupling the
deployment technologies from the framework technologies. This is how I
have done that in PHP. I develop on my home box. When I get something
working the way I want, I ftp
I don't know much php either, but running a php app seems straight
forward enough.
Python seems to always use some sort of development environment vs
production environment scheme. For development, you are supposed to
run a local browser and load 127.0.0.1:5000 - or something like that.
Then to
This according to SDTimes:
http://www.sdtimes.com/article/story-20071215-13.html
They don't specifically mention Python. But, I think Python qualifies
as a dynamic language.
1. Dynamic languages are on the rise. We went into 2007 knowing that
Ruby would be a popular topic, thanks to Ruby on
I should have mentioned, I am thinking about using a python framework,
either django, turbogears, or pylons.
I think these frameworks require a newer version of python, maybe 2.4.
Also, I think some of them require a newer version of Apache - 2.0 or
better. I also think these python frameworks
According to hostmonster's list of features, they do support python.
Does anybody have any experience with hostmonster?
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I understand that Python has them, but PHP doesn't.
I think that is because mod_php is built into apache, but mod_python
is not usually in apache. If mod_python was built into apache, would
python still have long running processes (LRP)?
Do LRPs have to do with a Python interpreter running all
This is made with a php5 framework called qcodo.
http://examples.qcodo.com/examples/dynamic/inline_editing.php
With qcodo it's easy to make grids that are sortable and inline
editable. Qcodo grids work from the database - not an xml table or
array. Qcodo handles complex data relations, and
On Aug 28, 1:31 pm, Gerardo Herzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
walterbyrd wrote:
The one who make that table sorteable is AJAX. Not php. The php part is
kind of trivial (so it would be `trivial' in python too). It just reads
some data and format it in an html table.
Thank you, that is great
On Jul 22, 12:17 am, Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Either you are a casual user with 101 web
development skills trying to set up your personal home page
But this, sort of, brings me back to my original point. Nobody starts
out being advanced. There are substantial differences
On Jul 25, 2:12 pm, Carsten Haese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, CherryPy's requirements are very
minimal.
In terms of memory and CPU, maybe. But I think that *requires* apache
2.x and a very recent version of mod_python. By web-hosting
standards, those are very steep requirements.
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On Jul 25, 2:10 pm, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can tell you exactly why PHP
is so popular: it acts as an extension of HTML and is syntactically
similar to Perl.
Although, that can lead to problems, if you're not careful:
Perl:
my $x = 5 + 9000 || 1; # $x is 9005
PHP:
$x = 5 + 9000 ||
On Jul 25, 3:55 pm, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeff McNeil wrote:
Unfortunately, I also find that PHP programmers are usually more
plentiful than their Python counterparts. When thinking of staffing
an organization, it's common to target a skill set that's cheaper to
employ
Once you start down the Dark path, forever will it dominate your
desiny. Consume you, it will.
- Yoda
I'm fairly new to web-development, and I'm trying out different
technologies. Some people wonder why PHP is so popular, when the
language is flawed in so many ways. To me, it's obvious: it's
On Jul 25, 12:40 pm, Carsten Haese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What exactly could Python learn from PHP?
Remember, I'm a noob, I'm not trolling.
When I posted Python I meant the Python web-developement world. In
particular, python frameworks, like CherryPy, have requirements that
are not
My guess is that it would, but I can find no mention of python in the
intuit developers site. I can find some references to PHP and Perl,
but no Python.
I looks to me like Intuit develops have a strong preference for visual-
basic, then c/c++, then delphi.
I find it just a little bit
Thanks to Greg and Mike.
I am not looking for specifics right now. I was just wondering if
there was a practical way to do use python to integrate with intuit
apps.
Apparently, there is.
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Did you try to sort a tuple ?
(1, aaa).sort()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in ?
AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'sort'
I can do this:
x = (3,2,1)
x = tuple(sorted(list(x)))
Which, although senseless, effectively sorts the x tuple. But, you
On Jun 26, 8:23 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
walterbyrda écrit :
You do program carefully, don't you ?-)
I try. But things like typos are a normal part a life.
So are they in any language. I fail to see much difference here.
For example: if I mis-type a
On Jun 24, 10:31 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You perhaps don't know this, but most statically typed languages have
the notion of either pointers or references, that can cause similar -
and usually worse - problems.
Yes, but those languages also have the notion of
On Jun 24, 10:31 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Especially since variables in python do not have to be explicitly
assigned
???
I have probably expressed this incorrectly. What I meant was:
a = [1,2,3]
b = a
a[1] = 'spam'
Here, I have changed b, without an explicit
On Jun 22, 11:43 pm, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can you help us understand, by showing a use case that would in your
estimation be improved by the feature you're describing?
Suppose you are sequentially processing a list with a routine that
expects every item to be of a certain type.
On Jun 21, 5:38 pm, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That's a flippant response, but I don't understand the question.
Everybody here seems to have about the same response: why would you
ever want to do that?
Maybe it's something that doesn't need to be done, but it seems to
me that would
Python seems to have a log of ways to do collections of arbitrary
objects: lists, tuples, dictionaries. But what if I want a collection
of non-arbitrary objects? A list of records, or something like that?
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I barely even know how to program in python. I downloaded this
easygui, and I was writing useful gui application within a few
minutes. I can hardly believe it.
Any other noobs here, you may want to give this a try.
http://www.ferg.org/easygui/
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One of the few hosts that really provides good support for django:
http://asmallorange.com/
The python component-based data mining software:
http://www.ailab.si/orange
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On Jun 16, 8:48 pm, ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm interested in starting to learn python. I'm looking for any
reccomendations or advice that I can use to get started. Looking
forward to any help you can give!
Thanks!
-e
Here are two very well regarded online books - both free:
On Jun 5, 3:01 am, Maria R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tend to agree with some earlier poster that if you use Python you
are, in a sense, a programmer :o)
Yes, in a sense. But, in another sense, that is sort of like saying
that people who post on message boards are writers.
I should have been
I mean other than sysadmins, programmers, and web-site developers?
I have heard of some DBAs who use a lot of python.
I suppose some scientists. I think python is used in bioinformatics. I
think some math and physics people use python.
I suppose some people use python to learn programming in
On May 18, 8:28 pm, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Surely the fact that Python is available on so many platforms implies
that C is a fairly portable language.
Unless it's the same C code, I don't see how that means anything. If I
write an app on Windows with C, and I rewrite the same
On May 18, 10:24 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
I think that Ruby, which roughly speaking sits somewhere between Python
and Perl, is closer to Python than Perl is.
I don't know much about Ruby, but it does not seem to be commonly used
for anything other than web-development. It
On May 19, 7:23 am, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason you can do this with Python is precisely because the
developers have ironed out the wrinkles between platforms by putting the
requisite conditionals in the C source.
But that is my point. With Python, the language itself
On May 19, 9:36 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
From these numbers it would seem that Ruby (and PHP) aren't really more
web-specific than Perl (and Python).
Excellent find, nice work. However, if it is found that there are X
many PHP programs running payroll applications, does
I could not find a version of Python that runs on a Blackberrry.
I'm just amazed. A fairly popular platform, and no Python
implementation?
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On May 18, 2:17 pm, Larry Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Python is Portable - C is probably the only more portable language
Small quibble: IMO, although C runs on many platforms, I don't think C
code is typically portable between platorms. Unless you are doing
something very simple. If you
On May 16, 10:12 pm, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007-05-17, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This has already been explained to you by at least 5 different
people -- complete with examples.
Sorry about dual posting. I am using google groups. Usually, after I
submit
I don't know exactly what the first non-space character is. I know the
first non-space character will be * or an alphanumeric character.
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Python's lack of an EOF character is giving me a hard time.
I've tried:
-
s = f.readline()
while s:
.
.
s = f.readline()
and
---
s = f.readline()
while s != ''
.
.
s = f.readline()
---
In both cases, the loop ends as soon it encounters an empty line in
the file, i.e.
The strings start with whitespace, and have a '*' or an alphanumeric
character. I need to know how many whitespace characters exist at the
beginning of the string.
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How do I test for the end of a file, in such a why that python can
tell the EOF from a blank line?
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With PHP, libraries, apps, etc. to do basic CRUD are everywhere. Ajax
and non-Ajax solutions abound.
With Python, finding such library, or apps. seems to be much more
difficult to find.
I thought django might be a good way, but I can not seem to get an
answer on that board.
I would like to put
You started this thread with a list of conceptual problems you were
having. Are they now cleared up?
Yes. Thank you, and everybody else. I'm still learning, and still
getting used to Python. But, I understand the concepts that I was
having trouble with before.
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He's thinking in Pascal, not C.
Actually, I have programmed in many languages. I just first learned in
Pascal.
For me, going from Pascal, to basic,c,cobol,fortran . . was not that
difficult. Python, however, feels strange.
As crazy as this may sound: Python, in some ways, reminds me of
I learned to program with Pascal, way back when. Went into software
development for a while, then went into systems admin. Have programmed
in several languages, just learning Python.
Some things I find odd:
1) 5/-2 == -3?
2) list assignment handling, pointing two vars to the same list:
With
Thanx for all the replies, I may be slowly getting it. But, can
anybody explain this?
a = 'hello'
b = 'hello'
a is b
True
a = 'hello there'
b = 'hello there'
a is b
False
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Nevermind my previous question. I found the answer in Learning
Python
Python internally caches and reuses short strings as an optimization,
there really is just a single string, 'spam', in memory, shared by S1
and S2; hence, the is identity test reports a true result. To trigger
the normal
On May 2, 5:38 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're mixing apples, fishes, and cars here. Joomla is a content
management system, Django a framework and Python a language.
Yes, I know, but they are all ways to create a website. If I wanted a
site which included galleries,
On May 3, 11:08 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure integrating CakePHP stuff into something like Joomla or
Drupal will be that easy.
I don't know either. But, there are projects called jake and drake
which are specifically geared toward intergrating cakephp
On May 3, 7:49 pm, John Draper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I admit, Joomla is easy to use I admit, but very easy to vector into
a root exploit.
I had no idea. Thank you for posting that.
One thing I really like about joomla is the 1600+ extensions. But, I
don't need those kinds of security
If I wanted to build a website with forums, news feeds, galleries,
event calander, document managment, etc. I do so in Joomla easily.
But, I would perfer to use django/python, if that would be at all
practical.
I suppose I could put python scripts into django, if those scripts
exist.
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